3 simple points to end the discussion with any atheist

[fromdownunder]

1-Ask about the design of the universe: this question is very embarrassing to atheists, because the universe is full of signs. From the human body to mathematics, to the value of PI, the universe seems like a pattern designed by the same entity.

Let's take a quick look at your God's perfect design, using human symbols, because that is the way we do things. And, again, Math is a human construct.
A day = 23 hours 56 minutes and 4.1 seconds, and it dies change, albeit very slowly.
A year = 365.2422 days.
A lunar month = 29.53059 earth days.
pi = 3.14159265358979... I could post it to the first 10,000 numbers if you like.  It is certainly not 3 as claimed in the old testament.
Distance from the earth to the sum ranges from about 146 million kilometres to  152 kilometres, depending on the time of year.
I could go on.  If there was a God who "designed" the Universe, he did a pretty ordinary "not perfect but uesday" job of it.
Norm

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Hmm.  Ten replies in about an hour.  Doesn't seem to have ended the discussion, does it?

Boru

[I_am_not_mafia]

3-Why do we have consciousness?

Because we evolved as pack animals that have to co-ordinate our actions with others. This means being able to predict the actions of others and work alongside them. This requires a sense of self.

Actually even non-pack animals benefit from conscious for much the same reasons. It is easier to predict the action of your prey if you can imagine being in the same situation. This is far more flexible than evolving a response to every possible situation.

It also serves as a check and balance on the current behaviour being employed.

Consciousness improves the evolutionary fitness of the species.

That's not to say that we are always conscious of our actions though. Emotions and instinct work as a counter balance. Cognition widens the range of possible behaviours that an agent may use, while emotion and instinct narrows them to strategies favoured by evolution. Thus people can have emotional reactions without understanding why. Consciousness helps them spot when this balancing act isn't working so well.

[EvolutionKills]

1-Ask about the design of the universe: this question is very embarrassing to atheists, because the universe is full of signs. From the human body to mathematics, to the value of PI, the universe seems like a pattern designed by the same entity.

2-Open up the topic of time: human life is timed. Literally there is a cosmic clock, and the sun gives the time for earth. Why do the odds stack up in this life?

3-Why do we have consciousness?

That fact that you got even a single Reply defeats the entire premise of your whole post, since you claimed that any single one of these points would be enough to end the discussion, yet even all three together have utterly failed to do just that. Q.E.D.

[Cod]

1-Ask about the design of the universe: this question is very embarrassing to atheists, because the universe is full of signs. From the human body to mathematics, to the value of PI, the universe seems like a pattern designed by the same entity.

2-Open up the topic of time: human life is timed. Literally there is a cosmic clock, and the sun gives the time for earth. Why do the odds stack up in this life?

3-Why do we have consciousness?

1- For some reason I don't feel at all embarrassed.

2- Oh sorry I thought you said cosmic cock.

3-Why not?

[Aoi Magi]

1-Ask about the design of the universe: this question is very embarrassing to atheists, because the universe is full of signs. From the human body to mathematics, to the value of PI, the universe seems like a pattern designed by the same entity.

2-Open up the topic of time: human life is timed. Literally there is a cosmic clock, and the sun gives the time for earth. Why do the odds stack up in this life?

3-Why do we have consciousness?

lol, you already know the best way to end the conversation

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[robvalue]

Maybe you should be more concerned with trying to listen and learn than ending conversations with "gotchas".

[I_am_not_mafia]

1-Ask about the design of the universe: this question is very embarrassing to atheists, because the universe is full of signs. From the human body to mathematics, to the value of PI, the universe seems like a pattern designed by the same entity.

Mathematics and logic is a way of describing the universe. If humans did not exist then neither would they. You mention PI, but there is no such thing as a perfect circle or sphere in nature. Therefore also no PI

As for the design that can be explained away. Everything in the universe works to reach equilibrium. Matter coalesce in gravity wells to form planets. Mountains erode away and flatten out. Chemical reactions use gibb's free energy etc. The more efficiently these processes can do this the more effectively the thermodynamic gradient can be minimised. This results in something that looks like it was designed but it just is more efficient to encode and improve upon something than continually re-inventing the wheel.

So you may have proto-cells form many times in a primordial soup but the one that manages to replicate itself will out compete those that cannot because there is an energy gradient that it can feed off. This then leads to Darwinian evolution.

Where do these energy gradients come from?

Quantum irregularities at the beginning of the Big Bang turned into thermodynamic gradients through the expansion of the universe.

[Homeless Nutter]

1-Ask about the design of the universe: this question is very embarrassing to atheists, because the universe is full of signs. From the human body to mathematics, to the value of PI, the universe seems like a pattern designed by the same entity.

2-Open up the topic of time: human life is timed. Literally there is a cosmic clock, and the sun gives the time for earth. Why do the odds stack up in this life?

3-Why do we have consciousness?

Well, if your goal is convincing the atheist, that discussion with you is pointless, because your arguments are on the level of a particularly dimwitted schoolchild - well done. 

[Deesse23]

1-Ask about the design of the universe: this question is very embarrassing to atheists, because the universe is full of signs. From the human body to mathematics, to the value of PI, the universe seems like a pattern designed by the same entity.

2-Open up the topic of time: human life is timed. Literally there is a cosmic clock, and the sun gives the time for earth. Why do the odds stack up in this life?

3-Why do we have consciousness?

1- Please demonstrate that it is designed and not only seems so. Because it seems to me your argument is an argument from ignorance.
2- The sun shines, therefore life = improbable, therefore god?  Please try harder. Another argument from ignorance.
3- We.dont.know.           Do you?

So, what else do you have, aside from ignorance i mean? We all are ignorant, but you seem to be able to draw some special knowledge from your ignorance. Why? Is that maybe related to an irrational belief of yours that needs to be shored up?