(September 28, 2018 at 5:34 pm)Bahana Wrote: Do you think this is a good statement to make? It seems to me like they are trying to prove themselves to religious people. Is it a response to religious people who think atheists are less moral? I would rather not dignify that. If you wanna address that argument then bring it to them but to use that as your motivation is low rent.

You may not want to dignify the position that many theists take that atheists cannot be moral without G-d, but the reality is that there are a whole lot of theists who take that position and are very vocal about it. There are some really stupid fucking theists out there and many of them occupy homes or families with atheists and they do challenge and harass non-believers with low-brow, uninformed arguments like that. And they do other really stupid stuff like threatening theists with imaginary places like hell. (How stupid, right?)

Then theists like me have to go around apologizing for that shit.

I've noticed local organizations using that slogan and announce that they wanna get out and show the community that atheists care. That left a bad taste in my mouth.

(September 28, 2018 at 7:24 pm)Bahana Wrote: I've noticed local organizations using that slogan and announce that they wanna get out and show the community that atheists care. That left a bad taste in my mouth.

Yeah. Trust me. Theists leave a really bad taste in the mouths of atheists.

Zeus is much cooler than jebus.

(September 28, 2018 at 7:21 pm)UGawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(September 28, 2018 at 7:01 pm)julep Wrote:   I agree that "I'm good without god" is an outsider's plea for acceptance, 

That's absurd.

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(September 28, 2018 at 7:06 pm)Aegon Wrote: The idea that you cant be moral without religion is a bit too silly for me to bother responding to.

It doesn't hurt to point out that you don't need clergy to know what's not moral. Some theists have never considered it any other way.

Sure it is.  I already know that I’m good without a religion.   I’d only say I am good without god if I am trying to get religious people to treat me as human and moral because they control a lot of social power.

(September 28, 2018 at 5:34 pm)Bahana Wrote: Do you think this is a good statement to make? It seems to me like they are trying to prove themselves to religious people. Is it a response to religious people who think atheists are less moral? I would rather not dignify that. If you wanna address that argument then bring it to them but to use that as your motivation is low rent.

I think it’s a necessary statement to make if you find yourself among company that equates belief in a god to good moral standing.

(September 28, 2018 at 8:25 pm)Bob Kelso Wrote:

(September 28, 2018 at 5:34 pm)Bahana Wrote: Do you think this is a good statement to make? It seems to me like they are trying to prove themselves to religious people. Is it a response to religious people who think atheists are less moral? I would rather not dignify that. If you wanna address that argument then bring it to them but to use that as your motivation is low rent.

I think it’s a necessary statement to make if you find yourself among company that equates belief in a god to good moral standing.

Right after ya bitch slap em.

(September 28, 2018 at 8:11 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Zeus is much cooler than jebus.

Which one was the god of wine and spirits? I like that one.

(September 28, 2018 at 8:45 pm)Bob Kelso Wrote:

(September 28, 2018 at 8:11 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Zeus is much cooler than jebus.

Which one was the god of wine and spirits? I like that one.

I like the orgy one. Maybe they are the same guy.

On one and only one occasion I've something along the lines of "Seriously? Are you admitting that without some old book to tell you not to, you'd be running around stealing and murdering? That's not a lack of religion, that's a lack of morals."

Of course, that friendship ended that day.