Read it and weep, Mystic.



Thank you very much. Have a nice day.

I can no longer participate in this thread, as I’m now brain-locked with a mental pic of Val rolling round in the mud.

Boru

Mystic, you reminded me of a good song




So...you think it’s dark or evil somehow. You think it’s wrong. Wrong to love someone. The idea is so silly to me. Love is the most innocent thing.

(November 8, 2018 at 11:38 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: MK, naturality and morality are separate issues, yes. But it has no bearing in this case.

Homosexuality- is it natural? Yes. (If you care about that sort of thing, it's natural).

Is it morally permissible? Yes. (And this is the important one.)

Case closed.

I would believe the same as you if I didn't know the following:

1] Our magic ability to choose and forge our souls and form it through power of belief in whatever way we wish.
2] With that comes responsibility - there is ways we can become that is beautiful and upon the guided path, and there is ways not so much but is going astray and away.
3] There is a dark sinister force that tries to change us to states below our dignity and some that are not sinister but misguided.
4] If we let chaotic winds forge our souls as opposed to firm guidance and firm resolution by insight, it will lead to catastrophic chaos on earth and people will forgo responsibility to join the truth and it's holders and Guides.
5] I fear that people don't feel like they chosen to be gay, mainly, because they didn't really want to become that, but gave in chaotic winds from sorcery and false suggestions of the dark enemy and his forces.
6] I wish to free humans from the dark one and I believe most humans would choose to male and female companionship if they have the strength and clarity to know they can choose that.

That said, we live in dark times. In these times, who the hell is guided if anyone.

Being gay doesn't define you whether it's wrong or not, it's just an aspect of a person among many aspects they have!

(November 8, 2018 at 11:48 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I would believe the same as you if I didn't know the following:

1] Our magic ability to choose and forge our souls and form it through power of belief in whatever way we wish.
2] With that comes responsibility - there is ways we can become that is beautiful and upon the guided path, and there is ways not so much but is going astray and away.
3] There is a dark sinister force that tries to change us to states below our dignity and some that are not sinister but misguided.
4] If we let chaotic winds forge our souls as opposed to firm guidance and firm resolution by insight, it will lead to catastrophic chaos on earth and people will forgo responsibility to join the truth and it's holders and Guides.
5] I fear that people don't feel like they chosen to be gay, mainly, because they didn't really want to become that, but gave in chaotic winds from sorcery and false suggestions of the dark enemy and his forces.
6] I wish to free humans from the dark one and I believe most humans would choose to male and female companionship if they have the strength and clarity to know they can choose that.

That said, we live in dark times. In these times, who the hell is guided if anyone.

Being gay doesn't define you whether it's wrong or not, it's just an aspect of a person among many aspects they have!

I'm going to read what you wrote as charitably as I can.

I think being gay is a neutral attribute of the self. This attribute can exist in someone who is inwardly beautiful or inwardly ugly. So your point is moot. You speak some truth when you talk about the importance of shaping oneself properly, but you assume (incorrectly) that being gay is "dark" or "evil" in its essence. It isn't.

You haven't come to your conclusion by observing and interacting with real people (as I have). You merely trust the dogma that's been given to you.

Maybe, or maybe it as I said a sign of chaotic winds and suggestions taking hold of a person given they don't feel they had a choice in the matter.

Well there was the "dark enemy" stuff too. I didn't mean to infer too much from that, but it sounded pretty negative.

(November 8, 2018 at 11:59 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Maybe, or maybe it as I said a sign of chaotic winds and suggestions taking hold of a person given they don't feel they had a choice in the matter.

I'm going to obliterate that choice nonsense right now.

Growing up, and I have read enough testimonies from other gay people to know for a fact that I was not alone, I feared being who I was because of how society was treating people like me at the time.  If there was any real fucking choice in the matter, wouldn't one choose to be straight in order to not suffer through the fucking bullshit you and your idiotic religious nonsense places on our shoulders? 


Wake the fuck up, MK.  I'm getting really tired of your ignorance.

(November 9, 2018 at 12:05 am)Kit Wrote:

(November 8, 2018 at 11:59 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Maybe, or maybe it as I said a sign of chaotic winds and suggestions taking hold of a person given they don't feel they had a choice in the matter.

I'm going to obliterate that choice nonsense right now.

Growing up, and I have read enough testimonies from other gay people to know for a fact that I was not alone, I feared being who I was because of how society was treating people like me at the time.  If there was any real fucking choice in the matter, wouldn't one choose to be straight in order to not suffer through the fucking bullshit you and your idiotic religious nonsense places on our shoulders? 


Wake the fuck up, MK.  I'm getting really tired of your ignorance.

This is it. If you believed you can't forge your soul and make it whatever you wish, you would not choose to be gay.  The fact is you felt you were gay and then thought you had no choice in the matter. Maybe a double lie at the same time you gave into?

My question is, why do you believe in those two things?

Why don't you believe you can make your soul into whatever you wish.

You will say:
1. I don't believe in God and souls.... so that's part of the problem.
2. I don't believe in magical ability to forge it.
3. I don't believe anything lied to me from dark forces that made me feel that way and made me feel I had no choice in that regard.

Am I right?

I understand, if I was Atheist, I would believe the same as you.

I just work in a different framework, where I believe, everything every possible state good or bad or mix, is possible for humans to forge their souls into.

(November 8, 2018 at 11:59 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Maybe, or maybe it as I said a sign of chaotic winds and suggestions taking hold of a person given they don't feel they had a choice in the matter.

Gee. Sounds an awful lot like me when I'm head over heels for a woman. 

I assume it's the same thing with a gay man except the object of his affections is another man. It's not fair to characterize human sexuality as you have done, MK. You hold things against gay people and don't hold those very same things against straight people.