I get what you think about quantum mechanics, even if I disagree with it. But setting that aside, I fail to see how even your own understanding of quantum mechanics leads you to think that it supports your specific beliefs. It would probably help if we knew what those specific beliefs were. If it's that we can exist in two places at once as a superposition of quantum states, that in itself doesn't seem to lead to the type of beliefs that you've been putting forward. So as long as you're here, why don't you explain in what way you think these quantum effects support your beliefs.

I'd also like answers to my previous questions, unless of course you're just here to troll.

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For what it's worth, I don't care if she is a sock. It's a breath of fresh air compared to the mind numbing repetition of CDF47. This too seems to be becoming something of a rut, but I'll enjoy it while it lasts. I don't actually think she's a sock, but it wouldn't shock me if she were in some way related to Little Rik.

(November 12, 2018 at 6:44 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 6:27 pm)Everena Wrote:

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No one thinks plants are conscious. Paramecium have a sex life. Dude, let it go. You lost the food argument.

Complete moron.

Some people do think plants are conscious (I'm a little surprised you don't) plants also have a sex life (and having a sex life is what consciousness means to you..?)....and neither of these two things matters in the slightest to why your absurd beliefs about a catering meat fairy are breathtakingly ignorant.

If these are the reasons for your belief..if you need these things to be true for your beliefs to be anything other than false....then you have a serious problem.

Plants are classified as life, but they are not classified as conscious self aware life. Look it up. You lost the argument either way because why would they taste good and provide energy and keep us alive if no intelligence was involved? Sorry, you can't write that off to chance or luck no matter how much you may want to

Quote:No one thinks plants are conscious

Really no one 

https://qz.com/1294941/a-debate-over-pla...uman-mind/

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/...gent-plant

https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/n...out-plants

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andreamorri...akes-root/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...chamovitz/

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016...gbooktalk/

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(November 12, 2018 at 6:55 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 6:44 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Complete moron.

Some people do think plants are conscious (I'm a little surprised you don't) plants also have a sex life (and having a sex life is what consciousness means to you..?)....and neither of these two things matters in the slightest to why your absurd beliefs about a catering meat fairy are breathtakingly ignorant.

If these are the reasons for your belief..if you need these things to be true for your beliefs to be anything other than false....then you have a serious problem.

Plants are classified as life, but they are not classified as conscious self aware life. Look it up. You lost the argument either way because why would they taste good and provide energy and keep us alive if no intelligence was involved? Sorry, you can't write that off to chance or luck no matter how much you may want to

That does not remotely follow so non sequitur

(November 12, 2018 at 6:52 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: I get what you think about quantum mechanics, even if I disagree with it.  But setting that aside, I fail to see how even your own understanding of quantum mechanics leads you to think that it supports your specific beliefs.  It would probably help if we knew what those specific beliefs were.  If it's that we can exist in two places at once as a superposition of quantum states, that in itself doesn't seem to lead to the type of beliefs that you've been putting forward.  So as long as you're here, why don't you explain in what way you think these quantum effects support your beliefs.

I'd also like answers to my previous questions, unless of course you're just here to troll.

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For what it's worth, I don't care if she is a sock.  It's a breath of fresh air compared to the mind numbing repetition of CDF47.  This too seems to be becoming something of a rut, but I'll enjoy it while it lasts.  I don't actually think she's a sock, but it wouldn't shock me if she were in some way related to Little Rik.

I have to work now, but I will be happy to discuss this later.

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(November 12, 2018 at 6:57 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

Quote:No one thinks plants are conscious

Really no one 

https://qz.com/1294941/a-debate-over-pla...uman-mind/

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/...gent-plant

https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/n...out-plants

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andreamorri...akes-root/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...chamovitz/

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016...gbooktalk/

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(November 12, 2018 at 6:55 pm)Everena Wrote: Plants are classified as life, but they are not classified as conscious self aware life. Look it up. You lost the argument either way because why would they taste good and provide energy and keep us alive if no intelligence was involved? Sorry, you can't write that off to chance or luck no matter how much you may want to

That does not remotely follow so non sequitur

Even if they are, it does not explain why they would all be here to feed us unless it was because of GOD, And no one in the science community seriously thinks plants are consciously self aware. It is only speculated about.

(November 12, 2018 at 7:03 pm)Everena Wrote: Even if they are, it does not explain why {plants} would all be here to feed us unless it was because of GOD...

Evolution explains it very simply.

Organisms that ate unhealthy or poisonous plants did not live to reproduce.

Organisms favouring plants that are both healthy and good-tasting would eat those instead. They would have more energy to fight off or run from predators, they would live to reproductive age, their offspring would continue to select beneficial plants for food, and are the survivors and our ancestors.

(November 12, 2018 at 4:40 pm)Everena Wrote: Where are these theists that you can have productive conversations with? Any of them in this forum that can vouch for you?

They seem to be gone. And I don't think Drich will be vouching for me. (Not like I'll be vouching for him either.)

In response to your other post, I meant that you should educate yourself concerning the position of atheism/skepticism about God. I didn't mean to imply you were uneducated. I did say your logic was "horrid"... perhaps I could have been more constructive. But you ignored my earlier post where I took the time to explain exactly how your reasoning was fallacious and even provided a link giving more details. You were unphased by it. It's as if you don't care if your reasoning is sound. If a theist actually cares about logic, then that theist and I can use that as a foundation for our discourse.

If the conclusion doesn't follow from the premises, there is no use to making an argument in the first place. In future discussions with atheists, try to keep that in mind.

(November 12, 2018 at 6:55 pm)Everena Wrote: Plants are classified as life, but they are not classified as conscious self aware life. Look it up. You lost the argument either way because why would they taste good and provide energy and keep us alive if no intelligence was involved? Sorry, you can't write that off to chance or luck no matter how much you may want to

You really are a scientific moron. 
SOME plants taste good. Some are poisonous. Animals evolved in their environments to use the energy sources available. 
You have it precisely backwards. It's neither chance nor luck, but is NOT the reason you claim. 
You never actually took any Biology or science did you ? 
What an ignoramus.

(November 12, 2018 at 7:28 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 6:55 pm)Everena Wrote: Plants are classified as life, but they are not classified as conscious self aware life. Look it up. You lost the argument either way because why would they taste good and provide energy and keep us alive if no intelligence was involved? Sorry, you can't write that off to chance or luck no matter how much you may want to

You really are a scientific moron. 
SOME plants taste good. Some are poisonous. Animals evolved in their environments to use the energy sources available. 
You have it precisely backwards. It's neither chance nor luck, but is NOT the reason you claim. 
You never actually took any Biology or science did you ? 
What an ignoramus.

She is just a juvenial moron in general who doesn’t even know what sort of audience would fall for her “conversant in science” shtick. She thinks truth flows from confident sounding bluster, not awareness of reality.

(November 12, 2018 at 6:55 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 6:44 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Complete moron.

Some people do think plants are conscious (I'm a little surprised you don't) plants also have a sex life (and having a sex life is what consciousness means to you..?)....and neither of these two things matters in the slightest to why your absurd beliefs about a catering meat fairy are breathtakingly ignorant.

If these are the reasons for your belief..if you need these things to be true for your beliefs to be anything other than false....then you have a serious problem.

Plants are classified as life, but they are not classified as conscious self aware life. Look it up. You lost the argument either way because why would they taste good and provide energy and keep us alive if no intelligence was involved? Sorry, you can't write that off to chance or luck no matter how much you may want to

Peoples regional preferences for food ought to be instructive...but this is just another ignorant belief you espouse about the caterer god, who cooks shit up that people like to eat. It's just another example of you asking people why they believe something, instead of whether they believe it in the first place.

I'm not at all surprised that I like southern food, no, it wasn't luck...and unless your meat fairy is my granny..........

(November 12, 2018 at 7:03 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 6:52 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: I get what you think about quantum mechanics, even if I disagree with it.  But setting that aside, I fail to see how even your own understanding of quantum mechanics leads you to think that it supports your specific beliefs.  It would probably help if we knew what those specific beliefs were.  If it's that we can exist in two places at once as a superposition of quantum states, that in itself doesn't seem to lead to the type of beliefs that you've been putting forward.  So as long as you're here, why don't you explain in what way you think these quantum effects support your beliefs.

I'd also like answers to my previous questions, unless of course you're just here to troll.

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For what it's worth, I don't care if she is a sock.  It's a breath of fresh air compared to the mind numbing repetition of CDF47.  This too seems to be becoming something of a rut, but I'll enjoy it while it lasts.  I don't actually think she's a sock, but it wouldn't shock me if she were in some way related to Little Rik.

I have to work now, but I will be happy to discuss this later.

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(November 12, 2018 at 6:57 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Really no one 

https://qz.com/1294941/a-debate-over-pla...uman-mind/

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/...gent-plant

https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/n...out-plants

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andreamorri...akes-root/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...chamovitz/

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016...gbooktalk/

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That does not remotely follow so non sequitur

Even if they are, it does not explain why they would all be here to feed us unless it was because of GOD, And no one in the science community seriously thinks plants are consciously self aware. It is only speculated about.

1. That wasn't your claim your claim was no believes their conscience that was clearly a lie wither speculative or not and the weight of the evidence suggests it's not no matter how much you toss around the word "speculative" to dismiss inconvenient idea's 

2. Again none of that follows thus again non sequitur

So you have failed yet again . You are clearly out of you depth .