(January 13, 2019 at 3:22 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: These nutty groups always bothering people.  If people want to go, let them go.  It's their choice.  The wacko atheist cults should stop bothering people all the time.  Don't get me wrong, there are some friendly atheists that follow MYOB, but it seems like many feel the need to be pests.

No one was preventing these people from going anywhere.  The FFRF was objecting to what amounts to a religious pilgrimage being endorsed and sponsored by local government.  If private citizens want to spend private funds to visit Ham's attractions, all well and good. But when a government entity uses public resources to promote such a trip, not so much.

If a local church group were to use its website to promote the trip, you wouldn't have heard a peep out of FFRF, which is as it should be.

Boru

(January 13, 2019 at 3:22 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: These nutty groups always bothering people.  If people want to go, let them go.  It's their choice.  The wacko atheist cults should stop bothering people all the time.  Don't get me wrong, there are some friendly atheists that follow MYOB, but it seems like many feel the need to be pests.

Yeah, there are no nutty groups in religion. They always MYOB.

(January 13, 2019 at 8:28 am)wyzas Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 3:22 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: These nutty groups always bothering people.  If people want to go, let them go.  It's their choice.  The wacko atheist cults should stop bothering people all the time.  Don't get me wrong, there are some friendly atheists that follow MYOB, but it seems like many feel the need to be pests.

Yeah, there are no nutty groups in religion. They always MYOB.

Gotta love whataboutism.

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(January 13, 2019 at 5:17 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 3:22 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: These nutty groups always bothering people.  If people want to go, let them go.  It's their choice.  The wacko atheist cults should stop bothering people all the time.  Don't get me wrong, there are some friendly atheists that follow MYOB, but it seems like many feel the need to be pests.

No one was preventing these people from going anywhere.  The FFRF was objecting to what amounts to a religious pilgrimage being endorsed and sponsored by local government.  If private citizens want to spend private funds to visit Ham's attractions, all well and good. But when a government entity uses public resources to promote such a trip, not so much.

If a local church group were to use its website to promote the trip, you wouldn't have heard a peep out of FFRF, which is as it should be.

Boru

It's for the people to decide not a fanatical atheist cult.

(January 13, 2019 at 2:42 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 8:28 am)wyzas Wrote: Yeah, there are no nutty groups in religion. They always MYOB.

Gotta love whataboutism.

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(January 13, 2019 at 5:17 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: No one was preventing these people from going anywhere.  The FFRF was objecting to what amounts to a religious pilgrimage being endorsed and sponsored by local government.  If private citizens want to spend private funds to visit Ham's attractions, all well and good. But when a government entity uses public resources to promote such a trip, not so much.

If a local church group were to use its website to promote the trip, you wouldn't have heard a peep out of FFRF, which is as it should be.

Boru

It's for the people to decide not a fanatical atheist cult.

The people DID decide, which you'd know if you'd read the article. And they can continue to decide - anyone in that town, anyone in the WORLD can decide to go visit Ken Ham's attractions, no harm no foul. FFRF has never stopped anyone from going to the Ark thingy or the Creation thingy.  What they did was to remind the town that it is unconstitutional for a government agency to sponsor religious activities.  And the town agreed.  No one got sued, no one had their religious freedoms trampled.  In fact, the case could be made that FFRF did the town a favour by helping them avoid a (potentially) costly lawsuit.

This sort of thing was settled in 1789.  Keep up.

Boru

(January 13, 2019 at 3:08 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 2:42 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Gotta love whataboutism.

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It's for the people to decide not a fanatical atheist cult.

The people DID decide, which you'd know if you'd read the article. And they can continue to decide - anyone in that town, anyone in the WORLD can decide to go visit Ken Ham's attractions, no harm no foul. FFRF has never stopped anyone from going to the Ark thingy or the Creation thingy.  What they did was to remind the town that it is unconstitutional for a government agency to sponsor religious activities.  And the town agreed.  No one got sued, no one had their religious freedoms trampled.  In fact, the case could be made that FFRF did the town a favour by helping them avoid a (potentially) costly lawsuit.

This sort of thing was settled in 1789.  Keep up.

Boru

It wasn't a "religious event."  It was a field trip.  Bunch of idiots whining about others going out and doing something.  It would've been a "religious event" if the government said they had to go and accept what was shared.

Never been to the Museum, probably won't ever go, but if I ever choose to and some nutty whackjob group told me I couldn't go, they wouldn't like what would come next.  Same thing if I wanted to visit an atheist church.  I would decide, not let someone tell me I can't because their feelings might get hurt.

I tell ya, these nutty atheist groups and going to get us all enslaved with their constant badgering everybody and trying to tell "We the People" what to think.  We can think for ourselves.

Also, please don't assume this is being suggested at all atheists.  There are many that are kind and don't spread this mindless hate garbage.

(January 13, 2019 at 2:42 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 8:28 am)wyzas Wrote: Yeah, there are no nutty groups in religion. They always MYOB.

Gotta love whataboutism.

Yep, especially when it's accurate.

(January 13, 2019 at 3:45 pm)wyzas Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 2:42 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Gotta love whataboutism.

Yep, especially when it's accurate.

It is "logical fallacy" not "accuracy."

(January 13, 2019 at 3:38 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 3:08 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The people DID decide, which you'd know if you'd read the article. And they can continue to decide - anyone in that town, anyone in the WORLD can decide to go visit Ken Ham's attractions, no harm no foul. FFRF has never stopped anyone from going to the Ark thingy or the Creation thingy.  What they did was to remind the town that it is unconstitutional for a government agency to sponsor religious activities.  And the town agreed.  No one got sued, no one had their religious freedoms trampled.  In fact, the case could be made that FFRF did the town a favour by helping them avoid a (potentially) costly lawsuit.

This sort of thing was settled in 1789.  Keep up.

Boru

It wasn't a "religious event."  It was a field trip.  Bunch of idiots whining about others going out and doing something.  It would've been a "religious event" if the government said they had to go and accept what was shared.

Never been to the Museum, probably won't ever go, but if I ever choose to and some nutty whackjob group told me I couldn't go, they wouldn't like what would come next.  Same thing if I wanted to visit an atheist church.  I would decide, not let someone tell me I can't because their feelings might get hurt.

I tell ya, these nutty atheist groups and going to get us all enslaved with their constant badgering everybody and trying to tell "We the People" what to think.  We can think for ourselves.

Also, please don't assume this is being suggested at all atheists.  There are many that are kind and don't spread this mindless hate garbage.

If you decided to go to the Creation Museum and FFRF told you that you couldn't, I would hope you'd sue them into the ground.  They have no right whatsoever to tell any private citizen what to do.  And they didn't.  They told the town government that they couldn't promote the trip on a government website, and the town government agreed.  This is what is known as 'protecting religious freedom'.

They didn't tell anyone what to think.  They didn't tell anyone where to go or not go.  They didn't tell anyone what to do or how to behave or how to spend their money or anything else.  They told the town that government promotion of a religious excursion was a violation of the establishment clause in your constitution.  And sorry, it wasn't just a 'field trip'.  Ham himself has been completely honest that the nature of these attractions is religious.  Your government isn't allowed to promote religion.  Look it up.

Boru

(January 13, 2019 at 4:03 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 3:38 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: It wasn't a "religious event."  It was a field trip.  Bunch of idiots whining about others going out and doing something.  It would've been a "religious event" if the government said they had to go and accept what was shared.

Never been to the Museum, probably won't ever go, but if I ever choose to and some nutty whackjob group told me I couldn't go, they wouldn't like what would come next.  Same thing if I wanted to visit an atheist church.  I would decide, not let someone tell me I can't because their feelings might get hurt.

I tell ya, these nutty atheist groups and going to get us all enslaved with their constant badgering everybody and trying to tell "We the People" what to think.  We can think for ourselves.

Also, please don't assume this is being suggested at all atheists.  There are many that are kind and don't spread this mindless hate garbage.

If you decided to go to the Creation Museum and FFRF told you that you couldn't, I would hope you'd sue them into the ground.  They have no right whatsoever to tell any private citizen what to do.  And they didn't.  They told the town government that they couldn't promote the trip on a government website, and the town government agreed.  This is what is known as 'protecting religious freedom'.

They didn't tell anyone what to think.  They didn't tell anyone where to go or not go.  They didn't tell anyone what to do or how to behave or how to spend their money or anything else.  They told the town that government promotion of a religious excursion was a violation of the establishment clause in your constitution.  And sorry, it wasn't just a 'field trip'.  Ham himself has been completely honest that the nature of these attractions is religious.  Your government isn't allowed to promote religion.  Look it up.

Boru

No, it's a wacko atheist cult bothering people to promote their stupidity.

Again, I know it's not all atheists, but get sick of the ones that are always trying to inject their beliefs into everybody else's business.  If they don't want to go, then nobody should make them.  If people want to go, then they should mind their own business and let those people think for themselves and choose.

(January 13, 2019 at 4:07 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 4:03 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If you decided to go to the Creation Museum and FFRF told you that you couldn't, I would hope you'd sue them into the ground.  They have no right whatsoever to tell any private citizen what to do.  And they didn't.  They told the town government that they couldn't promote the trip on a government website, and the town government agreed.  This is what is known as 'protecting religious freedom'.

They didn't tell anyone what to think.  They didn't tell anyone where to go or not go.  They didn't tell anyone what to do or how to behave or how to spend their money or anything else.  They told the town that government promotion of a religious excursion was a violation of the establishment clause in your constitution.  And sorry, it wasn't just a 'field trip'.  Ham himself has been completely honest that the nature of these attractions is religious.  Your government isn't allowed to promote religion.  Look it up.

Boru

No, it's a wacko atheist cult bothering people to promote their stupidity.

Again, I know it's not all atheists, but get sick of the ones that are always trying to inject their beliefs into everybody else's business.  If they don't want to go, then nobody should make them.  If people want to go, then they should mind their own business and let those people think for themselves and choose.

Why was the city government promoting a *religious* outing? That is what is illegal, not private citizens deciding to go to a non-sense theme park.