Quote:Despite the mythology Reagan was only peripheral to the USSR's collapse.

Spot on.  If anyone other than the tides of history deserve credit for the USSR's crumbling, it's probably Lech Walesa and John Paul II.  Reagan was little more than a cheerleader.

Boru

Reagan???

Anybody who thinks he was a great President thinks Howdy Doodie was a real person.

George HW Bush had his hand up Ronnie's arse, and we never saw his lips move...

Reagan was an ACTOR for crissakes. The Presidency was just another performance.

(January 28, 2019 at 3:01 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:Despite the mythology Reagan was only peripheral to the USSR's collapse.

Spot on.  If anyone other than the tides of history deserve credit for the USSR's crumbling, it's probably Lech Walesa and John Paul II.  Reagan was little more than a cheerleader.

Boru

No, reagan’s Build up materially worsened Soviet union’s dire fiscal outlook.  There is no doubt the Reagan build up was a signifant driver behind gorbechev’s I’ll considered economic policies aimed to sharpen soviet union’s economic productivity.

Soviet Union had chronically underinvested in all sectors of its economy outside space since the mid 1960s, because the Cuban missile crisis convinced soviet hardliners that achieving the ability to match American military capabilities in all areas must be the absolute first national priority.   By early 1980s, even hardliners are aware that Soviet Union is now far in arrears with necessary investment in domestic economy.  So it was necessary to seek an accommodation with the US to achieve a lure in the arms race so the Soviet Union can invest in and improve the productivity of its domestic economy.   Reagan’s build up was seen as more threatening by the USSR than perhaps it deserved.  So it created a crisis in soviet economy that made necessary shift of investment from military to domestic sectors difficult.

It was into this crisis that Gorbachev stepped in with his ill-informed, ill considered, somewhat idealistic program that immediately crashed the soviet economy.

So Reagan build up worked in the all is well that ends well sense. However, I don’t think it was a praise worthy move a priori. The risk of the move was largely unmitigated.

Do you think Trump's ego would overcome his stubbornness and he might resign so he can to a nixon-esque speech?

(January 28, 2019 at 3:41 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Reagan???

Anybody who thinks he was a great President thinks Howdy Doodie was a real person.

George HW Bush had his hand up Ronnie's arse, and we never saw his lips move...

Reagan was an ACTOR for crissakes. The Presidency was just another performance.

Hell has officially frozen over.

(January 29, 2019 at 11:26 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(January 28, 2019 at 3:41 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Reagan???

Anybody who thinks he was a great President thinks Howdy Doodie was a real person.

George HW Bush had his hand up Ronnie's arse, and we never saw his lips move...

Reagan was an ACTOR for crissakes. The Presidency was just another performance.

Hell has officially frozen over.  

Boru

(January 29, 2019 at 11:17 am)tackattack Wrote: Do you think Trump's ego would overcome his stubbornness and he might resign so he can to a nixon-esque speech?

Not a chance. Also, I think his stubbornness is rooted in his ego.

(January 29, 2019 at 12:05 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(January 29, 2019 at 11:26 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Hell has officially frozen over.  

Boru

Why is that surprising?, today Reagan is RINO, tomorrow Mussolini would becseen as leftwing radical, day after tomorrow Hitler would be the despiser Jew lover.

Such is the trajectory of the American right wing, which follows no ideology other than making the most of every day in the relentless pursuit of being more radically Neanderthal than yesterday.

(January 29, 2019 at 11:26 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(January 28, 2019 at 3:41 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Reagan???

Anybody who thinks he was a great President thinks Howdy Doodie was a real person.

George HW Bush had his hand up Ronnie's arse, and we never saw his lips move...

Reagan was an ACTOR for crissakes. The Presidency was just another performance.

Hell has officially frozen over.  

What are you babbling about?

(January 29, 2019 at 1:14 pm)Jackalope Wrote:

(January 29, 2019 at 11:17 am)tackattack Wrote: Do you think Trump's ego would overcome his stubbornness and he might resign so he can to a nixon-esque speech?

Not a chance.  Also, I think his stubbornness is rooted in his ego.

He is not stubborn. He blusters before his cadre of spineless minions and self-serving yes men, who stroke his ego by telling him is can knock out anyone without effort. As soon as his punch failed to knock out his opponent and his opponent shows indications of aiming one for his snot covered jaw, He folds like an accordion.

Everything trump is politically he owes to his minions and yes men. He owe nothing to his own personal nonexistent strength of character nor his nonexistent ternacity.