(February 12, 2019 at 7:28 pm)Belaqua Wrote:

(February 12, 2019 at 7:23 pm)Yonadav Wrote: The Clintons are neoliberals.

And I'm ready to see the back of them. We need real lefties.

Most definitely. I am hoping that AOC can maintain her allegiance to the Justice Democrats. The party is putting a lot of pressure on her to play ball and abandon the Justice Democrats' strategy.

(February 12, 2019 at 4:17 pm)Drich Wrote:

(February 12, 2019 at 3:51 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Trump loaned his campaign, got a great return on that investment, and then raked in record amounts from special interest groups and private donors (most of which are now suffering buyers remorse, lol).. leading to an ongoing investigation into campaign finance violation, emoluments violations, and other assorted pay to play schemes for both himself and his family..at least one of which is the heart of special counsels investigation and another might very literally have started a war.

Where on earth do you get this stuff?

quotation please...

I've honestly looked and it seems trump sent 66 million of his own and 25% of total funding came from indivisual supports with small cash donations and like 18% was indivisual large cash donations. that is from polito fact and crossed tht with investopedia

if what trump did was not right where who where is burney on this scale.. didn't he earn hundreds of millions of dollars 5 dollars at a time? last I check he did not give the surplus over to clinton when he lost the primary.

Trump gather money the same way burney did except he backed it with 66 million of his own money. his biggest contributors are indivisuals not industry, for example vince mcmann from the WWE donated like 3 million and some guy incharges of some hotel chain donanted 18 million... these are his well to do friends not big tobacco or oil or anything else the senator from ny mentioned. 

or are you dishonorably moving the goal posts to turn the tide of the discussion?

There's a big world outside Fox News, bud.  Start with google, type questions or keywords, and learn about reality.

Quote:Trump funded himself and did not take one dollar from any special interest group.

Yeah because was already a billionaire with deep links to the political class 

Quote:in fact that is what he calls the 'swamp' and his call to drain the swamp mirrors the same points this lady brought up.

Accept she actually believes in it and wasn't bathing in the swamp for years 

Quote:Do you remember the chants to 'drain the swamp?' that is exactly what he is refering to.

Accept what they really meant was "fill the swamp with our sludge "

What is the AOC's Green New Deal actually about?
I've read something about it and, based on what I've read, I just can't believe anyone can be that insane.
Like, make all the petrol vehicles illegal in 10 years, that is, almost all the cars, all the current airplanes, the vast majority of the current ships, almost all the tractors... Sounds even crazier than the Mao's policies in the 1950s, and such policies would, if somehow implemented (and it's hard to imagine something like that happening even in a country like the modern-day China, yet alone the US, both of which value free speech and economic freedom much more than the 1950s-era China), certainly lead to starvation.
All for what? Climate change? Jesus Christ, I now completely understand climate-change deniers. If you only know the political parts of the story, you are apparently completely justified to disbelieve in climate change. Climate change denial is by orders of magnitude less dangerous than the Green New Deal.
Don't get me wrong, I believe it's our duty to, as much as practical, protect the environment and, even more, sentient animals in it. That's why I am a vegetarian. But it's also our duty not to destroy the economy with nonsensical policies.
Please tell me that I am mistaken about what the Green New Deal actually is.

I just got an Uber ride from a friend to a local Walmart today. He saw this same video in the OP and was as impressed as I was. I think the GOP is in for a fight with her there now.

(February 13, 2019 at 4:10 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: What is the AOC's Green New Deal actually about?

- a commitment to a ten year crash program with a general goal of 100% renewable electricity and as drastic a reduction in carbon emissions as technologically feasible set alongside the creation of as many jobs (and educated professionals) as would be required to effect both.

So, you tell me, were you mistaken?

(February 13, 2019 at 4:10 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: What is the AOC's Green New Deal actually about?
I've read something about it and, based on what I've read, I just can't believe anyone can be that insane.
Like, make all the petrol vehicles illegal in 10 years, that is, almost all the cars, all the current airplanes, the vast majority of the current ships, almost all the tractors... Sounds even crazier than the Mao's policies in the 1950s, and such policies would, if somehow implemented (and it's hard to imagine something like that happening even in a country like the modern-day China, yet alone the US, both of which value free speech and economic freedom much more than the 1950s-era China), certainly lead to starvation.
All for what? Climate change? Jesus Christ, I now completely understand climate-change deniers. If you only know the political parts of the story, you are apparently completely justified to disbelieve in climate change. Climate change denial is by orders of magnitude less dangerous than the Green New Deal.
Don't get me wrong, I believe it's our duty to, as much as practical, protect the environment and, even more, sentient animals in it. That's why I am a vegetarian. But it's also our duty not to destroy the economy with nonsensical policies.
Please tell me that I am mistaken about what the Green New Deal actually is.

It's great that you believe in man made global warming and that this has inspired you to become a vegetarian, but tiny little changes in personal lifestyles will have just about zero impact on reducing our emissions. If we are going to stop global warming, we need to do really big things and set extreme goals. It absolutely will require us to operate on a different theory of economics. Things like the privately owned automobile are going to become history. Those who won't govern themselves will be governed. No one has a right to live an environmentally ruinous lifestyle.

All true, but given the question..it's important to note that none of that is in the green new deal.

Quote:If we are going to stop global warming, we need to do really big things and set extreme goals.

Well, being vegetarian is not authoritarian. Making government agencies try to force people into fighting global warming is authoritarian, and therefore immoral. Plus, it is probably counter-productive. Paradoxically, greater economic freedom generally decreases the CO2 emissions the society creates.
http://www.efdinitiative.org/sites/defau...2029_0.pdf

Quote:It absolutely will require us to operate on a different theory of economics.

What are you smoking?

Quote:it's important to note that none of that is in the green new deal.

So, then, what is? And where did the confusion come from?

(February 13, 2019 at 4:16 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I just got an Uber ride from a friend to a local Walmart today. He saw this same video in the OP and was as impressed as I was. I think the GOP is in for a fight with her there now.

She looks like a cute little thing, but she's a couple years away from going in dry on them, methinks.