I just read this somewhat alarming article. We've been talking for the past two years about how Trump hasn't tried to grow his base. As it turns out, his base might be growing with Latinos. That seems impossible, and yet it seems to really be happening.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/...ump-225192

(February 24, 2019 at 2:17 pm)Yonadav Wrote: I just read this somewhat alarming article. We've been talking for the past two years about how Trump hasn't tried to grow his base. As it turns out, his base might be growing with Latinos. That seems impossible, and yet it seems to really be happening.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/...ump-225192

Not where it counts. The only thing the asshole has done is give the already bat shit insane bigots more cover and more of an open bullhorn.

Racism and bigotry have always existed, and unfortunately still does. All he did is allow more cockroaches to crawl out of the woodwork.

(February 24, 2019 at 2:20 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(February 24, 2019 at 2:17 pm)Yonadav Wrote: I just read this somewhat alarming article. We've been talking for the past two years about how Trump hasn't tried to grow his base. As it turns out, his base might be growing with Latinos. That seems impossible, and yet it seems to really be happening.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/...ump-225192

Not where it counts. The only thing the asshole has done is give the already bat shit insane bigots more cover and more of an open bullhorn.

Racism and bigotry have always existed, and unfortunately still does. All he did is allow more cockroaches to crawl out of the woodwork.

Does your insane ass have anything to say that is relevant to the topic of this discussion?

(February 24, 2019 at 2:29 pm)Yonadav Wrote:

(February 24, 2019 at 2:20 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Not where it counts. The only thing the asshole has done is give the already bat shit insane bigots more cover and more of an open bullhorn.

Racism and bigotry have always existed, and unfortunately still does. All he did is allow more cockroaches to crawl out of the woodwork.

Does your insane ass have anything to say that is relevant to the topic of this discussion?

"It's growing"... is wrong.

The opposite is true when you consider long term American history, just the opposite.

America was far more bigoted, sexist, homophobic, and violent to minorities 240 years ago than it is now. The article is misleading. You are not seeing growing bigotry, but a more vocal minority of bigots.

Our long term history has grown to be more inclusive. What is really happening are more vocal white anxiety on the far right.

Hate groups DID  explode after Obama's first election, that part is true. But it wasn't that more bigots exist, but just that more of that small far right faction became more vocal.

It is more along the lines that more assholes have become less afraid to be assholes.

Skip the labels for a second, even skip nationality for a second.

This seeming "regression" is not new to America or our species for that matter.

Humans fear change. Humans get sold the social norms their parents sell them. So when new ideas or different people who are not raised in the long history of that majority, those used to the social norms feel threatened by that change. It isn't that humans are not capable of accepting change, just in that when you see change happen, many still stuck on the past become more vocal when their social norms are upset. You are not seeing more bigots, you are seeing more of the minority of the far right being more vocal.

The fear of the rural white middle class and rural poor is causing them to be more vocal. That is not the same as saying most of the country is with them. They are not.

Get a grip. I'm pretty certain that you didn't read the article. It looks like it is factually true that Trump's numbers are improving dramatically with Hispanics. This doesn't have anything to do with what you are ranting about.

(February 24, 2019 at 2:56 pm)Yonadav Wrote: Get a grip. I'm pretty certain that you didn't read the article. It looks like it is factually true that Trump's numbers are improving dramatically with Hispanics. This doesn't have anything to do with what you are ranting about.

Not because of the numbers , but because of his marketing.

Most GOP voters, regardless of if they support him or not, would claim they are not bigots. But because he sells fear so well, that allows even those who claim not to be bigots to excuse his marketing.

If you take a time machine back 240 years ago, even Democrats and Wigs who owned slaves would be the majority.

Even outside white Christians, you are doing the same damned thing I hate that Muslims in America and the west pull.

Nobody is claiming the rise of vile bigoted voices is a good thing. It is not. But that does not mean bigotry is growing. It is a matter of a small minority hiding behind others and those ignoring that allowing them to hide behind them. 

If you ignore that, then yes, by ignoring that, you can let hate grow.

(February 24, 2019 at 3:04 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(February 24, 2019 at 2:56 pm)Yonadav Wrote: Get a grip. I'm pretty certain that you didn't read the article. It looks like it is factually true that Trump's numbers are improving dramatically with Hispanics. This doesn't have anything to do with what you are ranting about.

Not because of the numbers , but because of his marketing.

Most GOP voters, regardless of if they support him or not, would claim they are not bigots. But because he sells fear so well, that allows even those who claim not to be bigots to excuse his marketing.

If you take a time machine back 240 years ago, even Democrats and Wigs who owned slaves would be the majority.

Even outside white Christians, you are doing the same damned thing I hate that Muslims in America and the west pull.

Nobody is claiming the rise of vile bigoted voices is a good thing. It is not. But that does not mean bigotry is growing. It is a matter of a small minority hiding behind others and those ignoring that allowing them to hide behind them. 

If you ignore that, then yes, by ignoring that, you can let hate grow.

And you are still ranting about shit that isn't related to the OP.  Trump's numbers are rising with Hispanics. If true, he is adding to his base. Do you have anything to say that is relevant to that?

(February 24, 2019 at 3:07 pm)Yonadav Wrote:

(February 24, 2019 at 3:04 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Not because of the numbers , but because of his marketing.

Most GOP voters, regardless of if they support him or not, would claim they are not bigots. But because he sells fear so well, that allows even those who claim not to be bigots to excuse his marketing.

If you take a time machine back 240 years ago, even Democrats and Wigs who owned slaves would be the majority.

Even outside white Christians, you are doing the same damned thing I hate that Muslims in America and the west pull.

Nobody is claiming the rise of vile bigoted voices is a good thing. It is not. But that does not mean bigotry is growing. It is a matter of a small minority hiding behind others and those ignoring that allowing them to hide behind them. 

If you ignore that, then yes, by ignoring that, you can let hate grow.

And you are still ranting about shit that isn't related to the OP.  Trump's numbers are rising with Hispanics. If true, he is adding to his base. Do you have anything to say that is relevant to that?

Title of the thread, "Trump's base possibly growing"

Or am I hallucinating?

No it is not.

What is happening is his marketing is working, that in turn can and does cause otherwise decent people in middle America to make excuses for the asshole.

My late mother was a lifetime GOP voter for the most part. She was not a bigot, but she was born in an age of far more bigotry in a time when whites were far more dominate. She never saw herself as a bigot. But she did have an ignorance of history and ignorance of economic inequality, and had an over simplistic view of race relations and how economics effect different demographics disproportionately. 

So again, if the title of your thread is suggesting bigotry is growing, IT IS NOT. 

I'd only agree it can, and will if you keep ignoring what I am telling you.

Trump's numbers may be rising between Hispanics and what can we do about it? Get our pitchforks? The thing is Democrats haven't even picked their candidate yet, let alone started working on the voters.

Cancer tends to to that.