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RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell
March 17, 2019 at 2:33 pm
(March 17, 2019 at 2:20 pm)Catharsis Wrote: (March 17, 2019 at 2:18 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: God isn't a sadistic monster that torture live being for eternity. That's not a God, that's a Monster made to scare people in to submission. Nobody will torture you forever.
Are you saying people try to gain control of other people by claiming God will punish them otherwise when they don't?
Obviously. Religions of various stripes have been doing that for centuries. We know that already. Had you a point or points you wished to make? If so, you have failed miserably.
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RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell
March 17, 2019 at 2:35 pm
(This post was last modified: March 17, 2019 at 2:36 pm by Nay_Sayer.)
(March 17, 2019 at 2:26 pm)Catharsis Wrote: (March 17, 2019 at 2:24 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Mine does, You've only got a myth. Sad.
Bless. RAmen.
Would you mind expanding a bit on your god?
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is composed of Thee separate and distinct parts (the Trinity).
Divinity
In the beginning, there was nothing only FSM, FSM looked upon the vast fabric of pre-time and gave forth to us the cosmos and all that resides within. Many of these truths were delivered upon the holiest of prophets, Boiardi who foretold that FSM would come down in human flesh and be boiled for our sins. So it was and so we give thanks every day to it.
The Flying Spaghetti
This part of the Flying Spaghetti Monster gives it flight, allowing it to span infinite distances in infinitesimal spans of time. This part is irreducibly complex, hyper-real (see Weird Calculus), and cannot be broken down into components. Doing so — if it were even possible, and it isn't — would incur the wrath of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It is proven by a series of math-like squiggles.
The original formula revealed to Pastafarian scholars did not include the butter and toast element, which is necessary to relate kittens to anti-gravity. The Flying Spaghetti Monster inspired this revision one day when He skipped breakfast.
The Spaghetti Monster
This is commonly recognized as the "body" of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and, unlike its other major counterpart, is composed of several smaller sections. These are called the Minor Pastaer. The Minor Pastaer is comprised of three parts. The first is the Meatera: a symbol of strength and fortitude, this is the source of the Flying Spaghetti Monster's power. The second is the Spaghettien: it proceeds from the Meatera; also known as the "Noodly Appendage," and allows for the Flying Spaghetti Monster to extend its grasp across the reaches of the universe, affecting everything and anything. The final part is the Saucon: it issues forth from the Meatara and the Spaghettien and acts as the veil of the Flying Spaghetti Monster; through the Saucon, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is unseen and intangible but can affect anything and everything at will. There is a great deal more documentation on this phenomenon, but I wish to keep this reply from being too lengthy.
However only we of the one true belief can fully understand FSM's ways and divine revelations.
I will pray his noodly appendages to unharden your heart lost lamb.
Bless. RAmen.
"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming" -The Prophet Boiardi-
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RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell
March 17, 2019 at 2:38 pm
(This post was last modified: March 17, 2019 at 2:56 pm by Catharsis.)
(March 17, 2019 at 2:33 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: (March 17, 2019 at 2:20 pm)Catharsis Wrote: Are you saying people try to gain control of other people by claiming God will punish them otherwise when they don't?
Obviously. Religions of various stripes have been doing that for centuries. We know that already. Had you a point or points you wished to make? If so, you have failed miserably.
Usually people don't try to make a point when asking a question.
Allow me to explain, it's quite simple really.
People ask questions in the hope of receiving an answer because they feel the need for one.
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RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell
March 17, 2019 at 2:58 pm
(March 17, 2019 at 1:35 pm)Fleeing Jesus Wrote: (March 17, 2019 at 12:44 pm)chimp3 Wrote: Possibly!
I’ve been looking for help, this is true. Not a sock, though.
Is this RT from AR?
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RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell
March 17, 2019 at 4:37 pm
(March 17, 2019 at 2:26 pm)Catharsis Wrote: (March 17, 2019 at 2:24 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Mine does, You've only got a myth. Sad.
Bless. RAmen.
Would you mind expanding a bit on your god?
His god is just as likely to exist as whatever god you believe exists.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell
March 17, 2019 at 4:46 pm
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(March 17, 2019 at 4:37 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (March 17, 2019 at 2:26 pm)Catharsis Wrote: Would you mind expanding a bit on your god?
His god is just as likely to exist as whatever god you believe exists.
I figure the creator has nothing to do with the magic skydaddy you don't believe in.
creator
/kriːˈeɪtə/
noun
noun: creator; plural noun: creators
a person or thing that brings something into existence.
"James Bond's creator Ian Fleming"
synoniemen: writer, author, composer, designer, deviser, maker, inventor, producer, developer; Meer
originator, initiator, instigator, generator, engineer, architect, mastermind, prime mover, father, mother;
literarybegetter
"he is the creator of several hit musicals"
used as a name for God.
noun: Creator; noun: the Creator
synoniemen: God, the Lord, the Almighty, the Master of the Universe; one's Maker
"the Sabbath is kept to honour the Creator"
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RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell
March 17, 2019 at 6:10 pm
(This post was last modified: March 17, 2019 at 6:11 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Do you reckon that might have something to do with being taught to regard magic as superstition and magical creators as truth?
For better or for worse, the faithful have a choice to lean into magic or descend into intellectual dishonesty.
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RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell
March 17, 2019 at 10:17 pm
(March 17, 2019 at 1:35 pm)Fleeing Jesus Wrote: I’ve been looking for help, this is true. Not a sock, though.
You might want to stop thinking that you're going to die tomorrow/soon.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell
March 17, 2019 at 10:43 pm
(March 17, 2019 at 2:20 pm)Catharsis Wrote: (March 17, 2019 at 2:18 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: God isn't a sadistic monster that torture live being for eternity. That's not a God, that's a Monster made to scare people in to submission. Nobody will torture you forever.
Are you saying people try to gain control of other people by claiming God will punish them otherwise when they don't? Yes people use fear to control other people and have been doing it for centuries, across all areas of life, seem very human. I don't think anyone was really surprised by that at all.
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RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell
March 17, 2019 at 11:21 pm
(March 17, 2019 at 10:43 pm)tackattack Wrote: (March 17, 2019 at 2:20 pm)Catharsis Wrote: Are you saying people try to gain control of other people by claiming God will punish them otherwise when they don't? Yes people use fear to control other people and have been doing it for centuries, across all areas of life, seem very human. I don't think anyone was really surprised by that at all.
In any way people should be able to use their freedom to do good.
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