(April 1, 2019 at 10:10 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Here's the way it is ---

Just because you bleat out "you worship guns" - doesn't mean it's true. In fact - such pronouncements pretty much put everything else you say into serious question. If you just make shit up on the fly, and pronounce it as fact - nobody will much listen to you .


So - why do we own guns?

It's not for duck hunting. It's not for "sporting purposes" (whatever the fuck that is). It's not because we are some drooling maniac just waiting for the chance to kill someone.


It's because we pay attention.

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You may think that it you pass a bunch of laws to get rid of guns, you're going to make the world all safe - nobody will die - gentle rains will fall, the sun will shine, the crops will flourish - and all the children will be happy, well fed, smart and good looking.

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Sorry sunshine - this world doesn't work that way. At least not with the nasty bastards that inhabit the upper part of the food chain.

If history shows us anything -- and the way it keeps repeating itself (in new and interesting ways) - we can be assured that NO civilization lasts peacefully forever. You can bury your head in the sand and believe that the world is going to take care of you - and everything is going to be peachy. Reality? You stuck there with your head in the sand and your ass in the air makes a perfect opportunity for the world to slam you one in the ass.

You can call gun owners paranoid - but the fact is - being unarmed, and insisting on everyone being unarmed is simply a coward's admission to defeat. Will the gun owner prevail in all situations? Nope. But - he won't lose in every one either. The guy without a gun? When things get real ugly - he's going to wish he had one. Or he'll just curl up in a corner and wait for the end.

The gun owner is at least prepared to TRY.

You're so limited.

(April 1, 2019 at 11:25 am)popeyespappy Wrote:

(April 1, 2019 at 11:13 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Of all the use cases for an ar-15...hunting deer is pretty much the worst, lol.  You may as well broadcast the fact that you're the worlds shittiest hunter.  

You overpaid for a toy. Get a ruger you scrub. 

MSRP on a Ruger AR in 450 Bushmaster is $1099. MSRP on a Ruger Number 1 in 450 Bushmaster is $1899. Both can be bought for less, but the single shot Number 1 is usually going to cost more than the AR.

I put my Bushmaster manufactured .450 upper reciever on my Bushmaster lower then put together an Anderson lower with DPMS parts from Brownells to put under the .223 upper.

End result - 2 rifles. The .450 cost me slightly under $650 - and shoots sub MOA out to 200 yards. ( so far). The more expensive Ruger is unlikely to do better.

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(April 1, 2019 at 11:04 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(March 30, 2019 at 8:30 am)onlinebiker Wrote: And AR-15s are also routinely used for hunting. I expect to bag at LEAST 5 whitetails with my new 450 Bushmaster this year.

Gross.

Your objection?

(April 1, 2019 at 12:02 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(April 1, 2019 at 11:25 am)popeyespappy Wrote: MSRP on a Ruger AR in 450 Bushmaster is $1099. MSRP on a Ruger Number 1 in 450 Bushmaster is $1899. Both can be bought for less, but the single shot Number 1 is usually going to cost more than the AR.

I put my Bushmaster manufactured .450 upper reciever on my Bushmaster lower then put together an Anderson lower with DPMS parts from Brownells to put under the .223 upper.

End result - 2 rifles. The .450 cost me slightly under $650 - and shoots sub MOA out to 200 yards. ( so far). The more expensive Ruger is unlikely to do better.

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(April 1, 2019 at 11:04 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Gross.

Your objection?

Meh, I just don’t get the killing of animals for fun. It’s a personal opinion. To each their own.

(April 1, 2019 at 12:11 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(April 1, 2019 at 12:02 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: I put my Bushmaster manufactured .450 upper reciever on my Bushmaster lower then put together an Anderson lower with DPMS parts from Brownells to put under the .223 upper.

End result - 2 rifles. The .450 cost me slightly under $650 - and shoots sub MOA out to 200 yards. ( so far). The more expensive Ruger is unlikely to do better.

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Your objection?

Meh, I just don’t get the killing of animals for fun. It’s a personal opinion. To each their own.

You object to eating meat - or controlling animal population?

I dont hunt for " fun". I hunt for food. Last year I shot, butchered and put 5 deer in my freezer. Next year I expect to get at least that. I will not have to rely on - or even buy - any factory farmed protein forthe foreseeable future.

The biggest threat to that? Animal huggers getting areas shut down for hunting. This is a real problem on the east side of michigan - in heavily populated areas. It leads to deer overpopulation - and CWD - Chronic Wasting Disease. It's transmission is via food - where deer eat feed contaminated by infected animals through saliva. The most likely spot they contract it? Bunnyhuggers feeding the poor hungry deer. 

This isn' t my opinion. It is data, provided by the Michigan Department of Natural Resources. It' s on their website.

Hunters are NEEDED to keep deer from going extinct.

(April 1, 2019 at 12:02 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: I put my Bushmaster manufactured .450 upper reciever on my Bushmaster lower then put together an Anderson lower with DPMS parts from Brownells to put under the .223 upper.

End result - 2 rifles. The .450 cost me slightly under $650 - and shoots sub MOA out to 200 yards. ( so far). The more expensive Ruger is unlikely to do better.

The local high volume gun store regularly puts stripped Anderson lowers on sale for 3 for $99. I've got 6 of them sitting in the safe right now waiting on me to do something with them. I'm also working on 3 identical 14.5" lightweight builds right now. Consecutive serial numbers to boot, but that means nothing beyond coolness factor. I just got the barrel for the last one on Saturday.



When they are done I am giving them to my SO, her daughter, and my sister. My brother, brother in law and the daughter's husband got theirs last year.

Cabellas currently have them on sale for $50 a pop. I will probably pick up a couple this week. I don' t know how they turn a buck on those. The investment casting must run at least $20 each - and every gun shop I know charges $25 to transfer any gun - and you do have to fill out a 4473 and get a NICS check ( or have a valid CCW).

I guess they figure they' ll rape you on the rest of the parts. 

I don't get the semi auto thing for hunting. I have semi autos in .22 caliber. But for hunting, I'm a die hard bolt action guy. I know that I'm not taking a shot that I'm not certain of, and I'm not going to send half a dozen rounds in the general direction of my prey. And I like to control the ejection of my brass so I see where it lands. And the bolt action is more powerful and more accurate. Call me old fashioned, I guess.

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(April 1, 2019 at 12:11 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(April 1, 2019 at 12:02 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: I put my Bushmaster manufactured .450 upper reciever on my Bushmaster lower then put together an Anderson lower with DPMS parts from Brownells to put under the .223 upper.

End result - 2 rifles. The .450 cost me slightly under $650 - and shoots sub MOA out to 200 yards. ( so far). The more expensive Ruger is unlikely to do better.

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Your objection?

Meh, I just don’t get the killing of animals for fun. It’s a personal opinion. To each their own.

But how do you feel about killing animals for deliciousness?

(April 1, 2019 at 12:33 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Cabellas currently have them on sale for $50 a pop. I will probably pick up a couple this week. I don' t know how they turn a buck on those. The investment casting must run at least $20 each - and every gun shop I know charges $25 to transfer any gun - and you do have to fill out a 4473 and get a NICS check ( or have a valid CCW).

I guess they figure they' ll rape you on the rest of the parts. 

Larry's doesn't charge a transfer fee if you have a carry permit. The only extra is sales tax so out the door for $107.81 for 3 of them when they are on sale.

The Cabelas here sells S&W LPK's minus the trigger and grip for $29.99. That's what I used on the 3 pictured above with no issues, but I usually use either CMMG or ALG builder's packs.

(April 1, 2019 at 12:53 pm)popeyespappy Wrote:

(April 1, 2019 at 12:33 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Cabellas currently have them on sale for $50 a pop. I will probably pick up a couple this week. I don' t know how they turn a buck on those. The investment casting must run at least $20 each - and every gun shop I know charges $25 to transfer any gun - and you do have to fill out a 4473 and get a NICS check ( or have a valid CCW).

I guess they figure they' ll rape you on the rest of the parts. 

Larry's doesn't charge a transfer fee if you have a carry permit. The only extra is sales tax so out the door for $107.81 for 3 of them when they are on sale.

The Cabelas here sells S&W LPK's minus the trigger and grip for $29.99. That's what I used on the 3 pictured above with no issues, but I usually use either CMMG or ALG builder's packs.

Damned good price. You' ll never lose a dime on that investment.

The deer population is out of control in a lot of places. Thinning the herds is necessary, the deer can devastate a forest if there are too many of them. When they killed off the wolves in Yellowstone the hoofed critters nearly destroyed the ecosystem. No balance.