(May 13, 2019 at 2:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(May 13, 2019 at 2:10 pm)Brian37 Wrote: What did Pence say that I agreed with? 

He is a fucking asshole, a bigot, and a fucking dick.

Pence:  '... some of the loudest voices for tolerance today have little tolerance for traditional Christian beliefs.'

Boru:  'And it's perfectly true that those of us who are tolerant don't tolerate the intolerance of 'traditional Christian beliefs'.  I certainly don't.'

Brian37: 'Great, neither do I.'

So, you agree with Pence that tolerant people (you, me) have little tolerance for traditional Christian beliefs.

This is the point where you spin like a windmill in a tornado.

Boru

Holy fuck.

If you and I agree, AS WE SHOULD, that he is an an asshole, then what is the fucking problem?

(May 13, 2019 at 2:31 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(May 13, 2019 at 2:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Pence:  '... some of the loudest voices for tolerance today have little tolerance for traditional Christian beliefs.'

Boru:  'And it's perfectly true that those of us who are tolerant don't tolerate the intolerance of 'traditional Christian beliefs'.  I certainly don't.'

Brian37: 'Great, neither do I.'

So, you agree with Pence that tolerant people (you, me) have little tolerance for traditional Christian beliefs.

This is the point where you spin like a windmill in a tornado.

Boru

Holy fuck.

If you and I agree, AS WE SHOULD, that he is an an asshole, then what is the fucking problem?

But you agree with him that tolerant people can sometimes be intolerant, correct?  In other words, Pence made a perfectly true and correct statement that you agree with.

Boru

(May 13, 2019 at 2:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(May 13, 2019 at 2:31 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Holy fuck.

If you and I agree, AS WE SHOULD, that he is an an asshole, then what is the fucking problem?

But you agree with him that tolerant people can sometimes be intolerant, correct?  In other words, Pence made a perfectly true and correct statement that you agree with.
 

Boru

Now I get it. 

That is not me rightfully objecting your bad logic. That is you holding out false hope that an asshole with power will stop being an asshole.

Pence is NOT tolerant. Just because he doesn't throw gays off of rooftops, does not mean he is capable of tolerance. 

It just means he doesn't have enough power to get what he wants right now.

Quote:Now I get it. 

Clearly, you don't.

Quote:That is not me rightfully objecting your bad logic.

 
Betcha a new penny that you can't point out my 'bad logic'.

Quote:That is you holding out false hope that an asshole with power will stop being an asshole.

It is absolutely, totally, and completely NOT that. As much as I've read about Pence, he has lived his entire life as a bigoted sphincter of the worst sort, and I can't envision him ever changing.

Quote:Pence is NOT tolerant. Just because he doesn't throw gays off of rooftops, does not mean he is capable of tolerance. 

I never claimed he was tolerant.  You need to stop making things up.

Quote:It just means he doesn't have enough power to get what he wants right now.

You could be right.

Now, back to our muttons:  Can you concede the fact that you agree with one very narrow, very limited statement that Pence made about tolerance? (You've already said you agree with him, I'm just looking for confirmation)

Boru

(May 13, 2019 at 2:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But you agree with him that tolerant people can sometimes be intolerant, correct?  In other words, Pence made a perfectly true and correct statement that you agree with.

Boru

But is intolerance of intolerance itself really intolerance? I personally don't think so.

(May 12, 2019 at 5:45 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: He followed up with, 'These attacks on Christian education are un-American', which is also true.  How are these objectionable?

It's objectionable, because it is a lie. Free speech is the one thing that is truly and authentically American, in that it was America that essentially first codified it.

Pence is not giving out about his wife's treatment because it was harsh on her (in fact it was polite and not very vehement), but because he wants all speech personally objectionable to him to be severely censored, if not banned.

I really do not know with certain people in this thread how I can convince them that I am not the bad guy.

But I am getting on a passenger Jet in June to visit my Australian friend, the sister of my late friend Bob. I am also paying for my Redneck friend to meet me there. Neither are afraid of air flight and turbulence like I am.

So this following video is dedicated to them.

(May 13, 2019 at 3:35 pm)Alan V Wrote:

(May 13, 2019 at 2:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But you agree with him that tolerant people can sometimes be intolerant, correct?  In other words, Pence made a perfectly true and correct statement that you agree with.

Boru

But is intolerance of intolerance itself really intolerance?  I personally don't think so.

Of course it is.  That's what the word means. But intolerance itself isn't necessarily a bad thing - it depends on the target of the intolerance.

Boru

(May 13, 2019 at 3:38 pm)Nomad Wrote:

(May 12, 2019 at 5:45 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: He followed up with, 'These attacks on Christian education are un-American', which is also true.  How are these objectionable?

It's objectionable, because it is a lie.  Free speech is the one thing that is truly and authentically American, in that it was America that essentially first codified it.

Pence is not giving out about his wife's treatment because it was harsh on her (in fact it was polite and not very vehement), but because he wants all speech personally objectionable to him to be severely censored, if not banned.

I see (or I think I do).  When people criticize Christian education, that's free speech.  But Christian education itself is not free speech, and responding to the criticism of it is not free speech.  Got it.

Boru

(May 13, 2019 at 4:44 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(May 13, 2019 at 3:38 pm)Nomad Wrote: It's objectionable, because it is a lie.  Free speech is the one thing that is truly and authentically American, in that it was America that essentially first codified it.

Pence is not giving out about his wife's treatment because it was harsh on her (in fact it was polite and not very vehement), but because he wants all speech personally objectionable to him to be severely censored, if not banned.

I see (or I think I do).  When people criticize Christian education, that's free speech.  But Christian education itself is not free speech, and responding to the criticism of it is not free speech.  Got it.

Boru

Responding to assholes is always free speech.