(May 15, 2019 at 9:33 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(May 15, 2019 at 9:32 am)CDF47 Wrote: It's not about keeping toys.

It's 99.9999% about keeping toys. The rest is bullshit made up to justify keeping toys. The gun culture is resolute in ignoring this.

While I don't own a firearm myself, there would have been a time, if I was adult back then, I would have supported the Pre 80s NRA when it was a safety org, and not the profit lobby for the industry it is now.

The NRA leadership and NSSF are corporate lobbies, not rights activists or safety advocates. Their goal is to protect industry profits, and that is it.

(May 15, 2019 at 10:06 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(May 15, 2019 at 9:45 am)CDF47 Wrote: I disagree for the reasons I previously posted.

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Stay away from our assault weapons. 

By the way, nearly everyone has anxiety to some extent.  It is part of our design.  

I totally disagree with many of the new proposed regulations you make.

Hey buttwipe, the INVENTOR of the Ar-15 said he never intended on it being used for civilian use. THE FUCKING INVENTOR!

eugene stoner sport that was the inventor of the Ar-10 which used the nato 7.65x29 natoround then they made a sporting rifle just for cilivian and police use it was known as THE AR 15 STUPID T-What! That ONLY INTENDED USE OF the AR-15 was for civilian use. IT was then modified to mil-spec by the army which converted to assault rifle status and redesignated this new assault rifle as the M-16, then again modified for close quarter combat in a carbine form as the m-4.
So again stupid people, ALL AR-15s are semi automatic NON assault rifles that where purposely made for civilian use.
Educate yourself fools!
ArmaLite, then a division of the Fairchild Aircraft Corporation. When first introduced in 1956, the AR-10 used an innovative straight-line barrel/stock design with phenolic composite and forged alloy parts resulting in a small arm significantly easier to control in automatic fire and over 1 lb (0.45 kg) lighter than other infantry rifles of the day.[1] Over its production life, the original AR-10 was built in relatively small numbers, with fewer than 9,900 rifles assembled. However, the ArmaLite AR-10 would become the progenitor for a wide range of firearms.

In 1957, the basic AR-10 design was rescaled and substantially modified by ArmaLite to accommodate the .223 Remingtoncartridge, and given the designation ArmaLite AR-15.[2] In 1959, ArmaLite sold its rights to the AR-10 and AR-15 to Colt Firearms due to financial difficulties, and limitations in terms of manpower and production capacity.[3] After modifications (most notably, the charging handle was re-located from under the carrying handle like AR-10 to the rear of the receiver), the new redesigned rifle was subsequently adopted by the U.S. military as the M16 Rifle.[4][5][6] Colt continued to use the AR-15 trademark for its line of semi-automatic-only rifles, which it marketed to civilian and law-enforcement customers as the Colt AR-15. With the expiration of its patent, other manufacturers began producing their own variants, known as AR-15 style rifles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-10

I personally don't know anyone who is favor of a total ban on guns. I'm strongly anti-hand myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vF66CsYEnc

(May 15, 2019 at 11:13 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: I personally don't know anyone who is favor of a total ban on guns. I'm strongly anti-hand myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vF66CsYEnc

I've made it known before that I wouldn't mind a total ban on guns. It's been done. 'Murica's just too ignorant to want positive change in the general direction of social progress lately.

(May 15, 2019 at 11:13 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: I personally don't know anyone who is favor of a total ban on guns. I'm strongly anti-hand myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vF66CsYEnc

I don't either. 

Almost 40 years of the NRA selling needless fear using vile marketing vilifying anyone who dares say things are not working and suggest we do things differently. 

I am sick of this  bullshit vilifying safety advocates. I am not an enemy, I do not want a fascist state, I simply want the firearm CEOs to care about how many they make and where they end up.

"Regulation" does not imply ridding the country of every single firearm.

(May 15, 2019 at 11:07 am)Aegon Wrote: Lately I've been thinking about how societies deal with inevitability. By "inevitability," I mean something that people will continue to do in that society no matter how hard they regulate it. I think about drug use, something that humans love to do and won't stop just because it's illegal.

Instead of pushing for intense gun control, we launch an aggressive public information campaign, like we did with cigarettes. We have graphic advertisements about what happens when you are careless with your firearms, and what horrors occur when firearms get in the wrong hands. Most of all, this campaign makes the assumption that gun-owners are responsible, and that they're not inherently bad for owning them. We eliminate that lifestyle divide by having these people's distrust of government and love for guns as an inevitability. "You're not a real American if you don't lock your guns," or some crap like that.

I still think some gun control measures should be passed, but only in tandem with efforts like that.

law abiding gun owners do not need to betold. the burden of gun ownership weighs heavily on people's minds when ever they leave their homes or have company over or even worse kids. there is no peace for a lawful gun owner if their guns are not secured. and those are the people a propaganda campaign would most directly influence. It is the monsters who do not care or seek guns to do ill that make it unsafe for everyone else. most of them have guns illegally now, so what are more laws going to do? what will a propaganda campaign do?

(May 15, 2019 at 11:18 am)Drich Wrote:

(May 15, 2019 at 11:07 am)Aegon Wrote: Lately I've been thinking about how societies deal with inevitability. By "inevitability," I mean something that people will continue to do in that society no matter how hard they regulate it. I think about drug use, something that humans love to do and won't stop just because it's illegal.

Instead of pushing for intense gun control, we launch an aggressive public information campaign, like we did with cigarettes. We have graphic advertisements about what happens when you are careless with your firearms, and what horrors occur when firearms get in the wrong hands. Most of all, this campaign makes the assumption that gun-owners are responsible, and that they're not inherently bad for owning them. We eliminate that lifestyle divide by having these people's distrust of government and love for guns as an inevitability. "You're not a real American if you don't lock your guns," or some crap like that.

I still think some gun control measures should be passed, but only in tandem with efforts like that.

law abiding gun owners do not need to betold. the burden of gun ownership weighs heavily on people's minds when ever they leave their homes or have company over or even worse kids. there is no peace for a lawful gun owner if their guns are not secured. and those are the people a propaganda campaign would most directly influence. It is the monsters who do not care or seek guns to do ill that make it unsafe for everyone else. most of them have guns illegally now, so what are more laws going to do? what will a propaganda campaign do?

Holy crap. I am so sick of this bullshit argument. My dad who got drunk and shot his 38 with me in the room, in a tiny townhouse, had no criminal record and legally purchased his firearms. Having no record at the time of buy does not prevent the buyer from doing stupid shit, hurting themselves or others, after a legal buy.

The Virginia Tech shooter had no criminal record when he legally purchased his firearms, but he was mentally ill, and never should have been allowed to buy them.

VETTING at time of sale is not a gun grab, it is simply insuring that the person who legally buys it isn't going to get violent after that legal buy. Prevention is not oppression, anymore than requiring a pilot to get licence before they fly a passenger jet.

It is bullshit to say "Only criminals will get them". Most firearm deaths start out with a legally purchased firearm.

(May 15, 2019 at 11:18 am)Drich Wrote:

(May 15, 2019 at 11:07 am)Aegon Wrote: Lately I've been thinking about how societies deal with inevitability. By "inevitability," I mean something that people will continue to do in that society no matter how hard they regulate it. I think about drug use, something that humans love to do and won't stop just because it's illegal.

Instead of pushing for intense gun control, we launch an aggressive public information campaign, like we did with cigarettes. We have graphic advertisements about what happens when you are careless with your firearms, and what horrors occur when firearms get in the wrong hands. Most of all, this campaign makes the assumption that gun-owners are responsible, and that they're not inherently bad for owning them. We eliminate that lifestyle divide by having these people's distrust of government and love for guns as an inevitability. "You're not a real American if you don't lock your guns," or some crap like that.

I still think some gun control measures should be passed, but only in tandem with efforts like that.

law abiding gun owners do not need to betold. the burden of gun ownership weighs heavily on people's minds when ever they leave their homes or have company over or even worse kids. there is no peace for a lawful gun owner if their guns are not secured. and those are the people a propaganda campaign would most directly influence. It is the monsters who do not care or seek guns to do ill that make it unsafe for everyone else. most of them have guns illegally now, so what are more laws going to do? what will a propaganda campaign do?

You think too highly of yourself and your cohorts. You're human, and so are they. The shooter from Sandy Hook had access to his mother's firearm. He used it to kill her, then kill a bunch of little kids... a law abiding citizen made an error in her judgment making it easy for him to obtain.

https://www.aftermath.com/content/accide...tatistics/
In 2016 there were 161,374 deaths from unintentional injuries, the overall 3rd ranking cause of death that year. Accidental gun deaths occur mainly in those under 25 years old. In 2014, 2,549 children (age 0-19) died by gunshot and an additional 13,576 were injured. Adolescents are particularly susceptible to accidental shootings due to specific behavioral characteristics associated with adolescence, such as impulsivity, feelings of invincibility, and curiosity about firearms. In the United States, over 1.69 million kids age 18 and under are living in households with loaded and unlocked firearms, setting the scene for possible tragedy if firearms are not locked and stored properly. A study from 2014 showed that those people that died from accidental shooting were more than three times as likely to have had a firearm in their home as those in the control. A 2001 study found that regardless of age, people are nine times more likely to die from unintentional firearm injuries when they live in states with more guns, relative to states with fewer guns.

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/...s-america/
Guns stolen from gun stores and the private collections of individual gun owners pose a substantial risk to public safety. Stolen guns often end up being used in the commission of violent crime. During the six-year period between January 2010 and December 2015, 9,736 guns that were recovered by police in connection with a crime and traced by ATF had been reported stolen or lost from gun stores. A recent investigation by the Commercial Appeal of stolen guns in Memphis, Tennessee, found that of the roughly 9,100 guns reported stolen in the city between January 2011 and June 2016, 21 were later connected to homicides, 27 to robberies, 62 to aggravated assaults, and 64 to drug crimes.

Theft is also one of the key ways that guns are diverted from the lawful market and into illegal gun trafficking networks. ATF describes burglaries of gun stores as “a significant source of illegally trafficked firearms” and has noted that “investigative experience shows that each of those stolen firearms is almost assuredly destined for criminal use in the immediate area of the theft.”A 2000 ATF report that reviewed all firearms trafficking investigations undertaken by the agency between July 1996 and December 1998—the most recent such study the agency has conducted—found that nearly 14 percent of those cases involved guns stolen from licensed gun dealers and another 10 percent involved guns stolen from private residences. These investigations involved more than 9,300 illegally trafficked guns. Another study analyzed data on 893 guns recovered by the Pittsburgh Bureau of Police Firearms Trafficking Unit in 2008 and found that for close to 32 percent of these firearms, their original owners claimed they had been stolen.



For the record, there is a CZ P-09 in my house. It's not mine, it's my roommate's, but I've shot it. I'm not intimidated by its presence because he is an incredibly intelligent man who knows what he's doing. I'm not trying to come at you and vilify you.. that's the literal opposite of what my suggestion was lol. I'm not talking to you Drich. You're a member of this group I refer to, but when you get to such a grand, statistical level you need to look at trends in numbers. Your anecdote about how you keep your guns doesn't matter, because clearly not everyone is as safe as you are. Take a step back and separate your ego from the issue.

Here in Portugal, you have to take a course, have no criminal record, pass a psych eval and renew these from time to time to buy or own a gun. 9 mils are forbidden completely to the public (military grade weaponry).

Gun crimes here are very low.

Yeah, but have you done anything about moose v. bicycle deaths? I think not! That makes Portugal hypocritical!!!!!! You have no feelings for those poor mooses, I mean "meese".