You can be deadly with a pencil. Doesn't mean it's the best choice, or even a good choice.

Instead of pulling your bullshit false martyrdom complex, pull your head out of your ass, and actually sit down with someone who has been a victim of firearm violence or a family member who has had someone commit suicide, or been murdered by a spouse, or some of the Parkland or Newtown victims.

The CEOs of the firearm companies don't give one shit about your rights, they only care about profits.

(May 16, 2019 at 11:35 am)Brian37 Wrote: Mental health care laws are NOT there to punish anyone. Again I am tired of this bullshit.

You wouldn't want a police officer who was a domestic abuser to have a gun, or even that job. You wouldn't want that same police officer to suffer PTSD only to go on to hurt himself or his own family members. When we send our military off to war, even the ones who make it through, can and do come back, only to commit suicide or murder their spouse because of the PTSD.

Now again where the fuck were my rights being only  6 years old, when my dad, WHO LEGALLY BOUGHT his firearms, got drunk and fired his 38 with me in the room?

Sorry there are people that should not have firearms. Anyone who makes threats to a business, or school or to co workers or family, should be at a minimum checked out and warned, but if it is repeated behavior, that is a clear sign that that person is not mentally fit to have a firearm.

Prevention is not oppression, so fucking knock it off.  Civilians are not trained at the same level as our law enforcement or our military. It makes no sense to give laypeople a blank check and not insure that whomever we sell them to is stable.

Everyone has some sort of mental health problem nearly.  Using mental health is a way to disarm the public.

One thing I think civilians need more of is training.  That I agree with.  Training is very important for gun owners.

(May 16, 2019 at 12:32 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: You can be deadly with a pencil. Doesn't mean it's the best choice, or even a good choice.

No Godzilla, every fucking week, we hear about someone use a high capacity NO 2 pencil go into a church or mosque and murder multiple people with that pencil. We have a pencil violence epidemic.

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(May 16, 2019 at 12:33 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 16, 2019 at 11:35 am)Brian37 Wrote: Mental health care laws are NOT there to punish anyone. Again I am tired of this bullshit.

You wouldn't want a police officer who was a domestic abuser to have a gun, or even that job. You wouldn't want that same police officer to suffer PTSD only to go on to hurt himself or his own family members. When we send our military off to war, even the ones who make it through, can and do come back, only to commit suicide or murder their spouse because of the PTSD.

Now again where the fuck were my rights being only  6 years old, when my dad, WHO LEGALLY BOUGHT his firearms, got drunk and fired his 38 with me in the room?

Sorry there are people that should not have firearms. Anyone who makes threats to a business, or school or to co workers or family, should be at a minimum checked out and warned, but if it is repeated behavior, that is a clear sign that that person is not mentally fit to have a firearm.

Prevention is not oppression, so fucking knock it off.  Civilians are not trained at the same level as our law enforcement or our military. It makes no sense to give laypeople a blank check and not insure that whomever we sell them to is stable.

Everyone has some sort of mental health problem nearly.  Using mental health is a way to disarm the public.

One thing I think civilians need more of is training.  That I agree with.  Training is very important for gun owners.

I suffer from depression and anxiety. I feel damned lucky you didn't raise me. I'd be dead.

(May 16, 2019 at 12:10 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(May 16, 2019 at 11:51 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: BUT! ANY law that restricts ownership is the first bird turd on the snowy slopes. I'm surprised you didn't know that.

 DAMN, they got me. I want to round up all firearm owners, and stick them in ovens........... <-----Is the bullshit the industry/NRA/NSSF sell them.

It can't be that I merely don't want to live in a society where I have to fear getting my head blown off merely for leaving my house.

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I seriously would highly recommend those who needlessly fear our side, to take a vacation to Brisbane, or Tokyo. They don't have to fear getting shot in public, and their law enforcement don't have to fear getting shot by the public.

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We live in a nation, where stupid parents thought it would be fun to have their daughter shoot an uzi at a gun range. The dumbass "instructor" got himself killed because he was to stupid too consider that her small arms were not strong enough to handle the recoil. And that was in an allegedly controlled and "safe" environment.

Some would argue, "He took that risk, so what was wrong with it?" How about the PTSD that that girl will suffer for the rest of her life knowing she accidentally killed him?

You don't have to worry about getting your head blown off when leaving your house with an armed public.  The bad guys don't know who has the weapons and they won't know if you are carrying or not.  You don't have to worry about the good guys shooting you.  You are just fear mongering.

It sucked that accident happened.  I seen that when it occured on the news.  All accidents are horrible.  That is why better safety training may be necessary.

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(May 16, 2019 at 12:29 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(May 16, 2019 at 12:24 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Banning assault weapons is oppression.  We should have something similar to what the military carries.

I know nobody wants a war. That is why we still have firearms.

No it is not asshole.  Just like you cant do 100mph in a 25mph school zone.

I AM NOT YOUR ENEMY SO  FUCKING KNOCK IT OFF.

I am sorry the NRA scared the shit out of you needlessly, but that is your baggage, not mine. Nobody is out to get you. 

If you cant hit an intruder, or a deer with a regular riffle or 6 round revolver, then odds are you have no business owning a firearm of any kind.

Spray weapons are not intended for civilian use.

The NRA didn't scare me into anything and I didn't say you were my enemy.  It is what the founding fathers said that I stand by.  They were correct in their assessment of needing to arm the public to prevent tyranny.

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(May 16, 2019 at 12:32 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: You can be deadly with a pencil. Doesn't mean it's the best choice, or even a good choice.

The 9mm loaded with Federal HST, Hornady Critical Duty, or Speer Gold Dot ammo is a very lethal combination for self-defense purposes.

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(May 16, 2019 at 12:33 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Instead of pulling your bullshit false martyrdom complex, pull your head out of your ass, and actually sit down with someone who has been a victim of firearm violence or a family member who has had someone commit suicide, or been murdered by a spouse, or some of the Parkland or Newtown victims.

The CEOs of the firearm companies don't give one shit about your rights, they only care about profits.

I understand there are those that only care about profits.  It doesn't matter.  It is what the founders intended that matters and why:

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/gun-quot...ng-fathers

(May 16, 2019 at 12:37 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 16, 2019 at 12:10 pm)Brian37 Wrote:  DAMN, they got me. I want to round up all firearm owners, and stick them in ovens........... <-----Is the bullshit the industry/NRA/NSSF sell them.

It can't be that I merely don't want to live in a society where I have to fear getting my head blown off merely for leaving my house.

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I seriously would highly recommend those who needlessly fear our side, to take a vacation to Brisbane, or Tokyo. They don't have to fear getting shot in public, and their law enforcement don't have to fear getting shot by the public.

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We live in a nation, where stupid parents thought it would be fun to have their daughter shoot an uzi at a gun range. The dumbass "instructor" got himself killed because he was to stupid too consider that her small arms were not strong enough to handle the recoil. And that was in an allegedly controlled and "safe" environment.

Some would argue, "He took that risk, so what was wrong with it?" How about the PTSD that that girl will suffer for the rest of her life knowing she accidentally killed him?

You don't have to worry about getting your head blown off when leaving your house with an armed public.  The bad guys don't know who has the weapons and they won't know if you are carrying or not.  You don't have to worry about the good guys shooting you.  You are just fear mongering.

It sucked that accident happened.  I seen that when it occured on the news.  All accidents are horrible.  That is why better safety training may be necessary.

BULL FUCKING SHIT! You seriously have watching too many Rambo movies.

5 Armed cops in DALLAS lost their lives and all of them were armed, so the good guys, even the trained good guys do not always win.

SUICIDES are the #1 form of firearm deaths. So how the fuck does your logic work? If I suffer depression, how do I arm myself to save myself from myself?

It is just the opposite. You are far more likely to injure someone, or yourself or die trying to introduce a firearm in a conflict. And between two people it is far more likely that you will kill, or be killed by someone you are familiar with.

(May 16, 2019 at 12:35 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(May 16, 2019 at 12:32 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: You can be deadly with a pencil. Doesn't mean it's the best choice, or even a good choice.

No Godzilla, every fucking week, we hear about someone use a high capacity NO 2 pencil go into a church or mosque and murder multiple people with that pencil. We have a pencil violence epidemic.

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(May 16, 2019 at 12:33 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Everyone has some sort of mental health problem nearly.  Using mental health is a way to disarm the public.

One thing I think civilians need more of is training.  That I agree with.  Training is very important for gun owners.

I suffer from depression and anxiety. I feel damned lucky you didn't raise me. I'd be dead.

I understand depression and anxiety well.  I am sorry you have to endure that but using that as an excuse to disarm the public is not going to work.  People can see past that.

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(May 16, 2019 at 12:43 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(May 16, 2019 at 12:37 pm)CDF47 Wrote: You don't have to worry about getting your head blown off when leaving your house with an armed public.  The bad guys don't know who has the weapons and they won't know if you are carrying or not.  You don't have to worry about the good guys shooting you.  You are just fear mongering.

It sucked that accident happened.  I seen that when it occured on the news.  All accidents are horrible.  That is why better safety training may be necessary.

BULL FUCKING SHIT! You seriously have watching too many Rambo movies.

5 Armed cops in DALLAS lost their lives and all of them were armed, so the good guys, even the trained good guys do not always win.

SUICIDES are the #1 form of firearm deaths. So how the fuck does your logic work? If I suffer depression, how do I arm myself to save myself from myself?

It is just the opposite. You are far more likely to injure someone, or yourself or die trying to introduce a firearm in a conflict. And between two people it is far more likely that you will kill, or be killed by someone you are familiar with.

What's wrong with Rambo movies?

I know it is terrible news when things like that happen but the thugs will be armed regardless of the laws.

You need to decide for yourself whether you are fit to own a firearm.  Only you can make that decision.  Before firearms were invented what was the number 1 way to commit suicide?  Suicides will happen with or without firearms is my point.  There are numerous ways to accomplish that.

(May 16, 2019 at 12:37 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 16, 2019 at 12:10 pm)Brian37 Wrote:  DAMN, they got me. I want to round up all firearm owners, and stick them in ovens........... <-----Is the bullshit the industry/NRA/NSSF sell them.

It can't be that I merely don't want to live in a society where I have to fear getting my head blown off merely for leaving my house.

---

I seriously would highly recommend those who needlessly fear our side, to take a vacation to Brisbane, or Tokyo. They don't have to fear getting shot in public, and their law enforcement don't have to fear getting shot by the public.

---

We live in a nation, where stupid parents thought it would be fun to have their daughter shoot an uzi at a gun range. The dumbass "instructor" got himself killed because he was to stupid too consider that her small arms were not strong enough to handle the recoil. And that was in an allegedly controlled and "safe" environment.

Some would argue, "He took that risk, so what was wrong with it?" How about the PTSD that that girl will suffer for the rest of her life knowing she accidentally killed him?

You don't have to worry about getting your head blown off when leaving your house with an armed public.  The bad guys don't know who has the weapons and they won't know if you are carrying or not.  You don't have to worry about the good guys shooting you.  You are just fear mongering.

It sucked that accident happened.  I seen that when it occured on the news.  All accidents are horrible.  That is why better safety training may be necessary.

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(May 16, 2019 at 12:29 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No it is not asshole.  Just like you cant do 100mph in a 25mph school zone.

I AM NOT YOUR ENEMY SO  FUCKING KNOCK IT OFF.

I am sorry the NRA scared the shit out of you needlessly, but that is your baggage, not mine. Nobody is out to get you. 

If you cant hit an intruder, or a deer with a regular riffle or 6 round revolver, then odds are you have no business owning a firearm of any kind.

Spray weapons are not intended for civilian use.

The NRA didn't scare me into anything and I didn't say you were my enemy.  It is what the founding fathers said that I stand by.  They were correct in their assessment of needing to arm the public to prevent tyranny.

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(May 16, 2019 at 12:32 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: You can be deadly with a pencil. Doesn't mean it's the best choice, or even a good choice.

The 9mm loaded with Federal HST, Hornady Critical Duty, or Speer Gold Dot ammo is a very lethal combination for self-defense purposes.

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(May 16, 2019 at 12:33 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Instead of pulling your bullshit false martyrdom complex, pull your head out of your ass, and actually sit down with someone who has been a victim of firearm violence or a family member who has had someone commit suicide, or been murdered by a spouse, or some of the Parkland or Newtown victims.

The CEOs of the firearm companies don't give one shit about your rights, they only care about profits.

I understand there are those that only care about profits.  It doesn't matter.  It is what the founders intended that matters and why:

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/gun-quot...ng-fathers

YES IT DOES MATTER MORON!

Nadar didn't tell car companies their products sucked because he wanted to hurt business owners. He told them their products sucked because they did. And funny that, despite all that kicking and screaming the auto industry managed to learn to improve their products and still make money.

And quoting an firearm apology website to me is no fucking different than a Muslim apology website.

The founders also had no way of knowing how technology would change. Your bullshit logic would be insisting on running cell phone technology off of rotary phone technology.

If laws were never intended to be updated, we'd also still own slaves, and women would still not be able to vote.

(May 16, 2019 at 12:35 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(May 16, 2019 at 12:32 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: You can be deadly with a pencil. Doesn't mean it's the best choice, or even a good choice.

No Godzilla, every fucking week, we hear about someone use a high capacity NO 2 pencil go into a church or mosque and murder multiple people with that pencil. We have a pencil violence epidemic.

LOL You've never seen "John Wick", obviously.

(May 16, 2019 at 12:50 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(May 16, 2019 at 12:37 pm)CDF47 Wrote: You don't have to worry about getting your head blown off when leaving your house with an armed public.  The bad guys don't know who has the weapons and they won't know if you are carrying or not.  You don't have to worry about the good guys shooting you.  You are just fear mongering.

It sucked that accident happened.  I seen that when it occured on the news.  All accidents are horrible.  That is why better safety training may be necessary.

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The NRA didn't scare me into anything and I didn't say you were my enemy.  It is what the founding fathers said that I stand by.  They were correct in their assessment of needing to arm the public to prevent tyranny.

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The 9mm loaded with Federal HST, Hornady Critical Duty, or Speer Gold Dot ammo is a very lethal combination for self-defense purposes.

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I understand there are those that only care about profits.  It doesn't matter.  It is what the founders intended that matters and why:

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/gun-quot...ng-fathers

YES IT DOES MATTER MORON!

Nadar didn't tell car companies their products sucked because he wanted to hurt business owners. He told them their products sucked because they did. And funny that, despite all that kicking and screaming the auto industry managed to learn to improve their products and still make money.

And quoting an firearm apology website to me is no fucking different than a Muslim apology website.

The founders also had no way of knowing how technology would change. Your bullshit logic would be insisting on running cell phone technology off of rotary phone technology.

If laws were never intended to be updated, we'd also still own slaves, and women would still not be able to vote.

The 2nd amendment should never change.  It was not intended to.  It is prevent tyranny primarily.