(July 11, 2019 at 1:20 pm)Aegon Wrote:

(July 11, 2019 at 1:11 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Horseshit.  The violent suppression of ideas always and inevitably leads to tyranny, no matter how noble the motivation.

Boru

How does one violently oppress violent oppressors? I'm talking genuine fascists here, in power, in government

At that point, it becomes armed revolution, not the suppression of freedoms.  But you said Antifa is needed in some places.  Beating up journalists is needed? Fomenting riots because of a speech you disagree with is needed?

Antifa aren't freedom fighters.  They are thugs, goons and attention whores, no better than neo-Nazis.  In fact, they're worse than neo-Nazis, because as contemptible as the latter group are, at least they aren't hypocrites.  Antifa types want to suppress freedom of speech in the name of freedom of speech.

Boru

My family has a history of gunning down fascists, a position I endorse.

For context my grandad manned a maxime machine gun on a field the Nazis were using to land paratroops in Norway. Apparently he had no idea how many he got.

(July 11, 2019 at 1:49 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: My family has a history of gunning down fascists, a position I endorse.

For context my grandad manned a maxime machine gun on a field the Nazis were using to land paratroops in Norway. Apparently he had no idea how many he got.

Again, there's a tremendous difference between an actual war and street thuggery.

Boru

(July 11, 2019 at 1:43 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(July 11, 2019 at 1:20 pm)Aegon Wrote: How does one violently oppress violent oppressors? I'm talking genuine fascists here, in power, in government

At that point, it becomes armed revolution, not the suppression of freedoms.  But you said Antifa is needed in some places.  Beating up journalists is needed? Fomenting riots because of a speech you disagree with is needed?

Antifa aren't freedom fighters.  They are thugs, goons and attention whores, no better than neo-Nazis.  In fact, they're worse than neo-Nazis, because as contemptible as the latter group are, at least they aren't hypocrites.  Antifa types want to suppress freedom of speech in the name of freedom of speech.

Boru

Lol freedom of speech for a facist is an oxymoron

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(July 11, 2019 at 2:00 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(July 11, 2019 at 1:49 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: My family has a history of gunning down fascists, a position I endorse.

For context my grandad manned a maxime machine gun on a field the Nazis were using to land paratroops in Norway. Apparently he had no idea how many he got.

Again, there's a tremendous difference between an actual war and street thuggery.

Boru

Not really

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(July 11, 2019 at 7:03 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(July 11, 2019 at 5:59 am)EgoDeath Wrote: https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/02/opinions/...index.html

WARNING: The video below, within the hide tags, shows some violent acts.

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I have to wonder how anyone thinks that this is okay. People who claim to be all about tolerance, liberty and love just straight up attacking a man who is unarmed and showing no signs of aggression simply because they disagree with his political views. Admittedly, I don't know much about Ngo; he describes himself as a "right-of-center journalist" who, according to CNN, "has made a cottage industry of exposing manufactured instances of hate crimes."

This man is openly gay and an ethnic minority; he's Vietnamese. Yet, somehow, Antifa has painted him has some allt-right white supremacist. Imagine that: A Vietnamese White Supremacist."

The flippant way in which these morons label people as "nazis" is simply insane and honestly concerning.

Not to mention, these antifa clowns don't even understand real violence; it's almost like they're playing a game. Computer nerds who get together and wear masks and bully people who they know are easy targets. You know what's actually scary? Right-wing nuts with real guns who are willing to kill people... people who run militias and have compounds with crates of guns and ammunition. What exactly are they antifa assholes trying to stir up? Fucking insane.

edit: Also, interestingly enough, Andy Ngo states that in some of Antifas press releases it has been stated that even if, within the organization, you disagree with the tactics of Antifa members, you are not to state it publicly. It's almost like Antifa is a fascist movement that will use violence against its enemies. Weird, huh? What a bunch of fucking clowns?

I may have missed it - when did anyone in the Antifa movement claim to be about 'tolerance, liberty and love'?

And it's not 'almost' like Antifa is a fascist movement.  Eighty-odd years ago, we'd have called them 'Blackshirts'.

Boru

1. Depends on the group 

2. No we wouldn't

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(July 11, 2019 at 5:59 am)EgoDeath Wrote: https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/02/opinions/...index.html

WARNING: The video below, within the hide tags, shows some violent acts.

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I have to wonder how anyone thinks that this is okay. People who claim to be all about tolerance, liberty and love just straight up attacking a man who is unarmed and showing no signs of aggression simply because they disagree with his political views. Admittedly, I don't know much about Ngo; he describes himself as a "right-of-center journalist" who, according to CNN, "has made a cottage industry of exposing manufactured instances of hate crimes."

This man is openly gay and an ethnic minority; he's Vietnamese. Yet, somehow, Antifa has painted him has some allt-right white supremacist. Imagine that: A Vietnamese White Supremacist."

The flippant way in which these morons label people as "nazis" is simply insane and honestly concerning.

Not to mention, these antifa clowns don't even understand real violence; it's almost like they're playing a game. Computer nerds who get together and wear masks and bully people who they know are easy targets. You know what's actually scary? Right-wing nuts with real guns who are willing to kill people... people who run militias and have compounds with crates of guns and ammunition. What exactly are they antifa assholes trying to stir up? Fucking insane.

edit: Also, interestingly enough, Andy Ngo states that in some of Antifas press releases it has been stated that even if, within the organization, you disagree with the tactics of Antifa members, you are not to state it publicly. It's almost like Antifa is a fascist movement that will use violence against its enemies. Weird, huh? What a bunch of fucking clowns?

1.Oh you mean the guy who work for a website who has openly promoted race realism and white genetic supremacy .

2. You realize Antifa have no issue with buying guns and there number is made up of way more then just computer nerds 

3. He's talking out his ass there is no such press releases and even if their were Antifa ISN"T a centralized group so there would be no way to enforced it

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Quote:At that point, it becomes armed revolution, not the suppression of freedoms.  But you said Antifa is needed in some places.  Beating up journalists is needed? Fomenting riots because of a speech you disagree with is needed?

Beating up people who works for a site the promotes race realism and went to the rally to be propaganda mouth piece for the proud boys .So drop "speech you disagree with " it has nothing to do with disagreement . You don't simply  disagree with the race racialists  .

Quote:Antifa aren't freedom fighters.  They are thugs, goons and attention whores, no better than neo-Nazis.  In fact, they're worse than neo-Nazis, because as contemptible as the latter group are, at least they aren't hypocrites.  Antifa types want to suppress freedom of speech in the name of freedom of speech.

Neo Nazi's are huge hypocrites they openly use something they would happily take away from everyone else if in charge And when did Antifa say Neo Nazi's should have free speech ?

(July 11, 2019 at 1:43 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(July 11, 2019 at 1:20 pm)Aegon Wrote: How does one violently oppress violent oppressors? I'm talking genuine fascists here, in power, in government

At that point, it becomes armed revolution, not the suppression of freedoms.  But you said Antifa is needed in some places.  Beating up journalists is needed? Fomenting riots because of a speech you disagree with is needed?

Antifa aren't freedom fighters.  They are thugs, goons and attention whores, no better than neo-Nazis.  In fact, they're worse than neo-Nazis, because as contemptible as the latter group are, at least they aren't hypocrites.  Antifa types want to suppress freedom of speech in the name of freedom of speech.

Boru

Perhaps I should have said anti-fascist force, in general. Not what American Antifa is doing. I was referring to revolutionaries in countries where a population is so suppressed by fascist government that their only recourse is violence or submission.

(July 11, 2019 at 4:32 pm)Aegon Wrote:

(July 11, 2019 at 1:43 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: At that point, it becomes armed revolution, not the suppression of freedoms.  But you said Antifa is needed in some places.  Beating up journalists is needed? Fomenting riots because of a speech you disagree with is needed?

Antifa aren't freedom fighters.  They are thugs, goons and attention whores, no better than neo-Nazis.  In fact, they're worse than neo-Nazis, because as contemptible as the latter group are, at least they aren't hypocrites.  Antifa types want to suppress freedom of speech in the name of freedom of speech.

Boru

Perhaps I should have said anti-fascist force, in general. Not what American Antifa is doing. I was referring to revolutionaries in countries where a population is so suppressed by fascist government that their only recourse is violence or submission.

That I have no problem with.

Boru

I should point out that being openly gay and/or part of an ethnic minority does not preclude you from being part of the alt-right or even necessarily white supremacist.

Ain’t that right, Milo?





And, no, this isn’t being taken out of context.

His fellow Nazis might consider him a queer or a race traitor deep down, but, make no mistake, he’s one of them (at least as long as he can be useful for them.)

I’m not as familiar with Andy Ngo, but I suspect in his case, it’s probably less full Nazi and more Useful Idiot.

Antifa are terrorists who consider themselves above the law.
I see their supporters are side stepping the violence and trying to shift the focus onto the victim and his supposed affiliations without any evidence.

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Yeah, Milo's a Nazi white supremacist with a black boyfriend.

(July 11, 2019 at 5:23 pm)Little lunch Wrote: Antifa are terrorists who consider themselves above the law.
I see their supporters are side stepping the violence and trying to shift the focus onto the victim and his supposed affiliations without any evidence.

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Yeah, Milo's a Nazi white supremacist with a black boyfriend.

1. According to them the law protects fascists. So why would they follow them

2. His support for the proud boys and him working for a site that openly promotes race realism is well known . Which was why he was targeted 

3.The founder of stormfronts son Derek Black a Neo Nazi (the white nationalist website ) had an Asian girlfriend . You can be a Nazi and fuck black people , And I suggest you actually look into Milo's passed he's both hung out with and used Nazi Objects

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(July 11, 2019 at 5:23 pm)Little lunch Wrote: Antifa are terrorists who consider themselves above the law.
I see their supporters are side stepping the violence and trying to shift the focus onto the victim and his supposed affiliations without any evidence.

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Yeah, Milo's a Nazi white supremacist with a black boyfriend.

Milo singing karaoke in a bar in Texas with a group of well known Neo Nazi's

And since it looks like somehow Tizh screwed up the code for Mr. 1290LongKnives’ karaoke video (since it looks broken) I’ll try it again.