(August 10, 2019 at 8:34 pm)Athene Wrote:

(August 10, 2019 at 5:22 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: That poor woman definitely should have been kept on a suicide watch. A combination of her mental health issues and an incompetently run jail led to a needless death.

But the point (which Brian either misses or doesn't care about) is that her suicide WAS investigated, but for some reason he has a problem with the Epstein investigation.

Puzzling, that is.

Boru

I like Brian. He's a good a guy.
He just worries too much and gets a little ahead of himself in reminding everyone how and what to think sometimes, is all.

Anyhow, Epstein was housed in a high-security area. 
A careful review of the surveillance footage should be able to dispel at least some of the speculation as to what may have happened.

There was a "camera malfunction" when he "suicided".

At this point, my current hypothesis (which I freely admit may be debunked after a proper investigation) is that someone high up in the prison ended up being so disgusted by Epstein's crimes that he (or she) allowed him to be taken off suicide watch (Honestly, given the nature of the offenses, and how there's a very real chance that he might not feel the full penalty of law if when it's all over [the last I heard about Harvey Weinstein, he had reached a $44 million settlement with his victims] it's understandable that someone would resort to such a thing, even if it would be a major breach of protocol that casts a bad eye on themselves). Of course, his body is barely cold (it was only discovered 15 hours ago!), and the investigation into how they could have let this happen has only just begun.

Also, for anyone wondering about the method, he apparently hanged himself. Of course, it's not unreasonable to assume that someone else might have done the deed for him, it has happened in the past, but I wouldn't totally rule out anything yet.

(August 10, 2019 at 9:34 pm)Sal Wrote:

(August 10, 2019 at 8:34 pm)Athene Wrote: I like Brian. He's a good a guy.
He just worries too much and gets a little ahead of himself in reminding everyone how and what to think sometimes, is all.

Anyhow, Epstein was housed in a high-security area. 
A careful review of the surveillance footage should be able to dispel at least some of the speculation as to what may have happened.

There was a "camera malfunction" when he "suicided".

So, I've heard. 
Thus far, that's still an unconfirmed rumor from unverified "sources" though, to my understanding.

I'm operating under the premise that the footage actually exists, until official word is that pertinent surveillance data is mysteriously "unavailable".

(August 10, 2019 at 10:30 pm)Athene Wrote:

(August 10, 2019 at 9:34 pm)Sal Wrote: There was a "camera malfunction" when he "suicided".

So, I've heard. 
Thus far, that's still an unconfirmed rumor from unverified "sources" though, to my understanding.

I'm operating under the premise that the footage actually exists, until official word is that pertinent surveillance data is mysteriously "unavailable".

Bolding mine. If it comes to that, the US is closer to a banana republic than I originally thought. We'll have to wait and see, I guess.

The only silent parties are high powered men at risk of Epstein outing them for a deal for a slightly nicer prison stay. Pretty much everyone else is outraged. When political opposites like AOC and AG Barr are outspoken and in agreement, we should pay attention.

(August 10, 2019 at 11:03 pm)Fireball Wrote:

(August 10, 2019 at 10:30 pm)Athene Wrote: So, I've heard. 
Thus far, that's still an unconfirmed rumor from unverified "sources" though, to my understanding.

I'm operating under the premise that the footage actually exists, until official word is that pertinent surveillance data is mysteriously "unavailable".

Bolding mine. If it comes to that, the US is closer to a banana republic than I originally thought. We'll have to wait and see, I guess.

Perhaps there will be a heavily 'redacted' version that is shared at some point.

(August 10, 2019 at 11:03 pm)Fireball Wrote:

(August 10, 2019 at 10:30 pm)Athene Wrote: I'm operating under the premise that the footage actually exists, until official word is that pertinent surveillance data is mysteriously "unavailable".

Bolding mine. If it comes to that, the US is closer to a banana republic than I originally thought. We'll have to wait and see, I guess.

Why would this be surprising? This is honestly what I expect in cases like this. When police were issued bodycams to assure the populace that police brutality would be recorded and perpetrators would be held accountable, my immediate assumption is they'd somehow try to doctor footage, just release the parts that made their actions look justifiable, delete offending footage, or just not turning them on.

(August 10, 2019 at 11:08 pm)BryanS Wrote: The only silent parties are high powered men at risk of Epstein outing them for a deal for a slightly nicer prison stay. Pretty much everyone else is outraged. When political opposites like AOC and AG Barr are outspoken and in agreement, we should pay attention.

I'm not going to affirm or reject this assumption until I can actually find any hard evidence that he was or was not going to rat on other perverts.

(August 10, 2019 at 11:45 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(August 10, 2019 at 11:08 pm)BryanS Wrote: The only silent parties are high powered men at risk of Epstein outing them for a deal for a slightly nicer prison stay. Pretty much everyone else is outraged. When political opposites like AOC and AG Barr are outspoken and in agreement, we should pay attention.

I'm not going to affirm or reject this assumption until I can actually find any hard evidence that he was or was not going to rat on other perverts.

It is not relevant whether Epstein was or was about to cooperate. He might one day, and that possibility alone is why he was a risk to anyone he could implicate. An Epstein facing the rest of his life in jail has nothing to lose. If you were a pervy molester that Epstein had the goods on, could you imagine trusting Epstein in that situation?

Well, literally all we can do is wait and see how the investigations go. He could have been murdered by someone really powerful, he could have just been taken off suicide watch by a sufficiently enraged prison employee, one thing’s for damn sure: we’re not going to crack the case just by theorizing shit over the web.

"A guy who had information that would have destroyed rich and powerful men's lives ends up dead in his jail cell. How predictably... Russian."
                                                                                                                                                                            -Joe Scarborough


Lol!