True nuff.

(August 20, 2019 at 4:44 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(August 20, 2019 at 4:29 pm)Aegon Wrote: I'm going to say that's a poor point to make due to the absolutely insane increase in gun sales / gun manufacturing. The amount of guns manufactured skyrocketed from 3 million in 1985 to 11 million in 2013. The latest research says there are almost 400 MILLION firearms throughout the U.S. (both legally and illegally owned.)  I don't have numbers from the 1950s to compare to, but... I have a suspicion it's less lol.

Yup. There is far more guns now ...

Oddly - there is far less murder.


Think not?


Google "murder rate in us per capita since 1900"


Despite there being far more guns - there are less murders.... Close to half.

And 1/6th since the country began
.

Is the point of all this to control murder rates in general? Or to make it more difficult for a person to rack up a body count in a school/mall/etc?

(August 21, 2019 at 11:08 am)Aegon Wrote:

(August 20, 2019 at 4:44 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Yup. There is far more guns now ...

Oddly - there is far less murder.


Think not?


Google "murder rate in us per capita since 1900"


Despite there being far more guns - there are less murders.... Close to half.

And 1/6th since the country began
.

Is the point of all this to control murder rates in general? Or to make it more difficult for a person to rack up a body count in a school/mall/etc?

Is it safe to say you are not well versed in firearm use?

I have said this before - and history keeps showing I am right.

High body counts in mass shootings have very little to do with firearm capabilities. The skill of the user is far, far more relevant.

How many times do you have to see some dipshit with an AK-47 lookalike blow off 60 or 100 rounds and kill 2 or three people?

A skilled man with a 6 shot revolver couild do far more damage with far less ammunition.

Don't believe it? 


Google Jerry Miculek.

Murder rates are trending down. That's great.

It's not because of gun control.

(August 21, 2019 at 11:31 am)onlinebiker Wrote:

(August 21, 2019 at 11:08 am)Aegon Wrote: Is the point of all this to control murder rates in general? Or to make it more difficult for a person to rack up a body count in a school/mall/etc?

Is it safe to say you are not well versed in firearm use?

I have said this before - and history keeps showing I am right.

High body counts in mass shootings have very little to do with firearm capabilities. The skill of the user is far, far more relevant.

How many times do you have to see some dipshit with an AK-47 lookalike blow off 60 or 100 rounds and kill 2 or three people?

A skilled man with a 6 shot revolver couild do far more damage with far less ammunition.

Don't believe it? 


Google Jerry Miculek.

Murder rates are trending down. That's great.

It's not because of gun control.

Okay, well the Jerry Miculeks of the world aren't really the ones committing these things so that's good. I may not be very well versed in firearms (have only shot some dinky .22 rifle and a CZ P-07, no assault rifles) but I have incredible doubt about your assertion that the capabilities of a firearm don't make much of a difference. Incredible doubt. I feel like the basic probability of shots fired / shots hit with a fully automatic weapon alone makes your assertion incorrect.

(August 21, 2019 at 11:56 am)Aegon Wrote:

(August 21, 2019 at 11:31 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Is it safe to say you are not well versed in firearm use?

I have said this before - and history keeps showing I am right.

High body counts in mass shootings have very little to do with firearm capabilities. The skill of the user is far, far more relevant.

How many times do you have to see some dipshit with an AK-47 lookalike blow off 60 or 100 rounds and kill 2 or three people?

A skilled man with a 6 shot revolver couild do far more damage with far less ammunition.

Don't believe it? 


Google Jerry Miculek.

Murder rates are trending down. That's great.

It's not because of gun control.

Okay, well the Jerry Miculeks of the world aren't really the ones committing these things so that's good. I may not be very well versed in firearms (have only shot some dinky .22 rifle and a CZ P-07, no assault rifles) but I have incredible doubt about your assertion that the capabilities of a firearm don't make much of a difference. Incredible doubt. I feel like the basic probability of shots fired / shots hit with a fully automatic weapon alone makes your assertion incorrect.

Don't take.my word for it. I applaud skeptics.

But watch - start taking notes - you can even go back and research this.

The more rapid the fire - the less the casualties.

I' ve watched this for decades. It sure seems a pattern to me.

(August 19, 2019 at 6:32 pm)Lek Wrote: If.gum control works, why do we have so many mass shootings with all the gun control we have now vs the 50s and 60s when gun control was pretty nonexistent?

We have a lot of gun control and no mass shootings since we did. We had one and banned guns. Not had one since.

Gun control absolutely works.

It may be harder in a country  that has a constant hard on for guns, but it will work if tried.

(August 21, 2019 at 2:22 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(August 19, 2019 at 6:32 pm)Lek Wrote: If.gum control works, why do we have so many mass shootings with all the gun control we have now vs the 50s and 60s when gun control was pretty nonexistent?

We have a lot of gun control and no mass shootings since we did. We had one and banned guns. Not had one since.

Gun control absolutely works.

It may be harder in a country  that has a constant hard on for guns, but it will work if tried.

Problem is you banned guns. You took away an important freedom.

(August 21, 2019 at 4:10 pm)Lek Wrote:

(August 21, 2019 at 2:22 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: We have a lot of gun control and no mass shootings since we did. We had one and banned guns. Not had one since.

Gun control absolutely works.

It may be harder in a country  that has a constant hard on for guns, but it will work if tried.

Problem is you banned guns. You took away an important freedom.

Why do you consider it "important"?

(August 21, 2019 at 4:12 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(August 21, 2019 at 4:10 pm)Lek Wrote: Problem is you banned guns. You took away an important freedom.

Why do you consider it "important"?

Self-defense.

(August 21, 2019 at 4:48 pm)Lek Wrote:

(August 21, 2019 at 4:12 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Why do you consider it "important"?

Self-defense.

You don't need a gun to do that.