(April 13, 2020 at 12:08 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(April 13, 2020 at 11:49 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: All three are very, very different.

‘Having’ means that you’re in possession of something.

‘Hoarding’ is the inability to throw anything away.

‘Collecting’ refers to acquiring specific sets of items without regard to their utility.

Of the three, hoarding is the only one that indicates a psychological problem.

By way of example, at any given moment, I have between 30 and 50 musical instruments in my house. But I’m neither collecting nor hoarding them - I trade them for money.

Boru

And those definitions are subject to perspective.


For instance - I have Saturns. Primarilly SC2s.

I currenty have 14 +. (Hard to say how many - as I have parted many out). 8 are drivable.

To me - it's simple - I like them, they are fun to drive and simple to work on. However - they don't make them anymore (almost 20 years) -and parts are getting harder to find. 

Some people think it's a goofy hobby. Some an obsession.

However - the latest one I bought - I paid $350. I paid my neighbor $150 to haul it home using my dolly and his truck (better suited than mine for longer hauls).

I put a couple days work in on it - using parts I had here. I could sell this $500 car easily for $2000. I have seen dealers asking $4000 for comperable cars.

It’s clearly not hoarding or collecting, as all those cars have a practical use - you’re using them for parts and to sell. If you had 14 Saturns just to look at them, it would be collecting. If you had 140 Saturns because you can’t bear to be parted from them and they have no practical use, you’d be a hoarder.

But I agree with you that the definitions are somewhat fluid. I tend to think of it in terms of postal stamps. I have stamps in the house for posting letters. Some people collect stamps because they’re unusual or valuable. If someone has 10 000 shoe boxes full of stamps and has to stack them in mazes in order to get to the toilet, it’s hoarding.


Boru

How about a hundred quarts of hand sanitizer? (Made fresh this weekend. (In a barn wayyyy out in the country.))

(April 13, 2020 at 12:46 pm)BrianSoddingBoru Wrote: It’s clearly not hoarding or collecting, as all those cars have a practical use - you’re using them for parts and to sell. If you had 14 Saturns just to look at them, it would be collecting. If you had 140 Saturns because you can’t bear to be parted from them and they have no practical use, you’d be a hoarder.

But I agree with you that the definitions are somewhat fluid. I tend to think of it in terms of postal stamps. I have stamps in the house for posting letters. Some people collect stamps because they’re unusual or valuable. If someone has 10 000 shoe boxes full of stamps and has to stack them in mazes in order to get to the toilet, it’s hoarding.


Boru

And at least mine look nice - this is identical to my latest-

I used to have a huge Pat Benatar album collection, my favorites were the photo albums where the picture was embossed on the LP itself. I even bought an album not photo, but the LP because it was printed in Japanese. I had all sorts of Pat Benatar posters and even had a "Wide Awake In Dreamland" logo cut from a t shirt and sewn on the back of a denim jean jacket, to which I had someone sew the logo on the back of the jean jacket, cut off the sleeves of the jean jacket, and wore it over a leather tassel jacket, for that "heavy metal look."

I hear some people are collecting virus particles!

(April 13, 2020 at 1:21 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I used to have a huge Pat Benatar album collection, my favorites were the photo albums where the picture was embossed on the  LP itself. I even bought an album not photo, but the LP because it was printed in Japanese. I had all sorts of Pat Benatar posters and even had a "Wide Awake In Dreamland" logo cut from a t shirt and sewn on the back of a denim jean jacket, to which I had someone sew the logo on the back of the jean jacket, cut off the sleeves of the jean jacket, and wore it over a leather tassel jacket, for that "heavy metal look."

Lot to unpack, there. I don’t think I’ll try.

Boru

I loved my Saturn. That company should have stuck with what it knew and they would have sold me another one. It was a shame that they tried to glam up the name. I think they pinched themselves out of the market between their perceived image and their exorbitant prices with no social proof that they deserve the change in image.

(April 13, 2020 at 1:21 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I used to have a huge Pat Benatar album collection, my favorites were the photo albums where the picture was embossed on the  LP itself. I even bought an album not photo, but the LP because it was printed in Japanese. I had all sorts of Pat Benatar posters and even had a "Wide Awake In Dreamland" logo cut from a t shirt and sewn on the back of a denim jean jacket, to which I had someone sew the logo on the back of the jean jacket, cut off the sleeves of the jean jacket, and wore it over a leather tassel jacket, for that "heavy metal look."

Which heavy metal look would that be?

A sleeveless denim jacket isn't terribly intimidating.  Was the fringe brown or black?  

'Wide Awake in Dreamland' is a little tame for a patch unless it was shown as a tattoo on the forehead of a skull.

Where did you live that Pat Benatar was considered metal?  I may go so far as to say hard rock...if pressed...but not heavy metal.

(April 13, 2020 at 1:38 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(April 13, 2020 at 1:21 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I used to have a huge Pat Benatar album collection, my favorites were the photo albums where the picture was embossed on the  LP itself. I even bought an album not photo, but the LP because it was printed in Japanese. I had all sorts of Pat Benatar posters and even had a "Wide Awake In Dreamland" logo cut from a t shirt and sewn on the back of a denim jean jacket, to which I had someone sew the logo on the back of the jean jacket, cut off the sleeves of the jean jacket, and wore it over a leather tassel jacket, for that "heavy metal look."

Lot to unpack, there. I don’t think I’ll try.

Boru

Let me clear some things up for you. It may be hard to believe, but as much as I talk about ABBA, it is simply fun for me now, not an obsession. And I don't collect ABBA stuff either. But back when I was  a Pat Benatar fan, I was young, had no friends and was back then, looking for something to belong to. I was obsessed with Pat Benatar back then, not in "I will kill you if you don't like me", but in the stupid sense that I wanted her to be my friend. 

I have long since realized that famous people are not your friends. They are just people who do things you may like. And if you must know, Pat Benatar was the one that woke me up to the reality that they are not super heros, and you don't know them personally. 

I had followed her to concert to concert in my area for years. I had a personalized licence plate that got her attention me being 5 rows from the stage the first time she noticed me. Several concerts and years later, she was spotting me every time I showed up. 

But here is where I fucked up, and looking back at it now, I understand why celebrities like to keep their distance. 

Her fan club President noticed me after a few concerts, and invited me to meet Pat Benatar back stage at one concert. That fan club president warned everyone when they went back stage not to try to hug her. I DID. On top of that Pat let her kids come out and dumbass me kept repeating to her kids, "Aren't your parents great" Kids don't want to hear that shit. And the other rule I broke was that their drummer Myron Grombacher had left the band prior, and they didn't want fans asking about it. I DID.

So almost a year after making a fool of myself, I was at another concert in which she opened up for two other bands. It was still light out, and nobody was standing dancing in my section but me. In front of what must have been 20/30k she shouts into the mike to me, "SIT DOWN".

Prior to that moment, I had been star struck by lots of famous people needlessly. But that was the moment I realized I wasn't a part of anything, and humans have their own private lives. 

Yea, I harp on ABBA, but not in the same way. Now my "fandom" of anything is just fun, not life or death. I will raze anyone who hates ABBA, but I won't kill over any dissent. I would have taken it personally back then if someone had picked on Pat Benatar. Nor do I collect anything like that for any artist, not even ABBA.

(April 13, 2020 at 2:11 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(April 13, 2020 at 1:38 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Lot to unpack, there. I don’t think I’ll try.

Boru

Let me clear some things up for you. It may be hard to believe, but as much as I talk about ABBA, it is simply fun for me now, not an obsession. And I don't collect ABBA stuff either. But back when I was  a Pat Benatar fan, I was young, had no friends and was back then, looking for something to belong to. I was obsessed with Pat Benatar back then, not in "I will kill you if you don't like me", but in the stupid sense that I wanted her to be my friend. 

I have long since realized that famous people are not your friends. They are just people who do things you may like. And if you must know, Pat Benatar was the one that woke me up to the reality that they are not super heros, and you don't know them personally. 

I had followed her to concert to concert in my area for years. I had a personalized licence plate that got her attention me being 5 rows from the stage the first time she noticed me. Several concerts and years later, she was spotting me every time I showed up. 

But here is where I fucked up, and looking back at it now, I understand why celebrities like to keep their distance. 

Her fan club President noticed me after a few concerts, and invited me to meet Pat Benatar back stage at one concert. That fan club president warned everyone when they went back stage not to try to hug her. I DID. On top of that Pat let her kids come out and dumbass me kept repeating to her kids, "Aren't your parents great" Kids don't want to hear that shit. And the other rule I broke was that their drummer Myron Grombacher had left the band prior, and they didn't want fans asking about it. I DID.

So almost a year after making a fool of myself, I was at another concert in which she opened up for two other bands. It was still light out, and nobody was standing dancing in my section but me. In front of what must have been 20/30k she shouts into the mike to me, "SIT DOWN".

Prior to that moment, I had been star struck by lots of famous people needlessly. But that was the moment I realized I wasn't a part of anything, and humans have their own private lives. 

Yea, I harp on ABBA, but not in the same way. Now my "fandom" of anything is just fun, not life or death. I will raze anyone who hates ABBA, but I won't kill over any dissent. I would have taken it personally back then if someone had picked on Pat Benatar. Nor do I collect anything like that for any artist, not even ABBA.

So, you were a stalker?