(June 6, 2020 at 12:25 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: It was for You.

(Edit) Lots of stuff (/Edit)

So... just quoting the/a book is not, actually, evidence. It is just restating the claim(s).

So, again. I ask you for the 'Objective' evidence fr your diety.

Cheers.

Not at work.

(June 5, 2020 at 12:41 pm)Johanabrahams Wrote: Good.  Take specially note of my actions in Die Herberg.  At pages 18 and 19.

Yes, I highly reccommend it.
Page 18 https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p...&start=680
Page 19 https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p...&start=720
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Page 18 in which you agreed the following statement was correct.

Quote:You interfered with your wife's employment, a children's school, violating the legally-establish curriculum by spouting your religious nonsense, and disrupting the children's education.

Then this...

Quote:You terrorized the children by telling them they had evil spirits inside them.

To which you responded...

Quote:Not just them. The children's teachers as well.

and a lot of other nonsense as well.

It was claimed that...

Quote:You repeatedly harassed the children's teachers.

To which you replied...

Quote:Yep. Every time they went into anger and rage against the children I spoke. But they complained and the head said I should stop speaking. And I stopped. Then something amazingly happened.

You also revealed that...

Quote:This time i was confined to my flat.

Yup. Incarcerated at home. Home arrest. Because of what you did.

When it was claimed that...

Quote:You publicly slandered three different ministers in front of their congregations, calling them 'liars' and their spouses 'dirty.'

You replied...

Quote:Yep. I said things in those lines.

Then...

Quote:You disrupted services at those three churches by loudly preaching your religious nonsense.

You admitted...

Quote:Nope. I was actually outside far away on the sidewalk as they chased me away. And I obeyed. Because not to have obeyed would have been reason for the police to take me. So Iactually just greeted them softly on their arrival to the church because the police was watching.

So your faith was so feeble that fear of the police presence was the only thing to scare you off.

But it worsens...

Quote: You harassed the three ministers both at their churches and at their homes.

And you said...

Quote:Yep. I went to their houses to speak "my religious nonsense". And when they chased me away. I said: No problem. I will even run. That is "giving the garment when the cloac"is taken. The advice from Jesus. And then I did not go again because to have went again would have been opportunity to phone the police and be put in prison.

Making it worse...

Quote:You refused to cease and desist your activities when ordered to by legal authorities.

To which you wrote...

Quote:True. When I operated the police were called to rescue the hundreds of people out of my hands. And when the police arrived I everybody was just giving a sign of relief. And then something amazing happened. When they though the police has defused the situation I just went on with what I was doing. And while the police watched me like hawks they didn't see anything wrong in what I was doing. And after some 15 minutes left again. This was going on for approximately 3 weeks. And then the police decided not to come out for me again. So they were forced to go for the court order.

All of that from your first post on page 18, yet somehow, you claim that it exonerates you or justifies your actions somehow.

(June 5, 2020 at 12:41 pm)Johanabrahams Wrote:   It was speaking and acting against the child abuse that was from the side of the Authorities. 

But YOU were the child abuser in the whole sorry mess.

(June 5, 2020 at 12:41 pm)Johanabrahams Wrote: And then you will also notice in the last post on page  27 someone that really did a lot of research on me admitted that there was no violence from my side.  And it will be very unlikely for me to be caught in that. 

Another lie. The last post on page 27 is from the forum admin and states...

Quote:1045 posts in this nonsense thread? You folks have a lot of stamina.

Got a couple of reports so I am locking it so I can review the complaints.

BTW and FYI, ed is the forum god.

(June 5, 2020 at 12:41 pm)Johanabrahams Wrote: But Abaddon said I was violently beating up the people with a "cudgel".

Nope. I said you threatened them, not that you assaulted them.

(May 21, 2020 at 6:23 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: Where do we begin to look for the Love of a God that says He is Real?

The mistake is in the assumption that god states he is real. He doesn't. Man does, and what man states is fallible.

(June 6, 2020 at 12:25 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: It was for You.

God is Holy to us.  This mean that there is nothing in His Life to which we take second place.  We are His everything.  

As His Wife I also had to be the same.  So God used a persecution to take away my wife and kids and family and friends and even my whole nation in Robertson.   He took my job as Reverend in the Dutch Reformed Church and my money.  When I left Robertson because nobody wanted me there I went to Nkqubela.  The black township on the outskirts.  Created in the Apartheid's regime. There I had to sell everything I had and buy food and clothes for the poor.  The widows and orphans.    

Mat. 19
 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
 23 ¶Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.


I thought I had nothing then.  Then God said to give my body.  I had to start serving them with my body.  Working for free.  I could do it because i had no life left to support.  I only needed food.  I reached my death.

Gal. 2
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

The same happened with Paul.  

1 Cor. 4
9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.
 10 We are fools for Christ’s sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised.
 11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;
 12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
 13 Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
 14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
 15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
 16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
 17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.

And Paul was also a man that had a "good" human life.

Phil. 3
4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
 5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
 6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

When God takes a Wife that Wife has to be holy like He is.  There can be no family in Her Life.

Luke 14
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Because we Love this "hatred" is strange.  But God does it by a persecution.

Mat. 10
 21  And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
 22  And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

And in that persecution we learn to hate everything of human life.  Not the person.  The person we Love.   But what constitutes of the person.  The intellectual life of the person that can force the person to act so contrary to Love.  So we die totally to human life.  This is necessary to really find Love.  Love for our enemies too.  

Mat. 5
44  But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
 45  That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
 46  For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
 47  And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
 48  Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

And now God has created for Himself a Wife.  Who is Holy as He is holy.  There is nothing left anymore to which His Children will take second place in Her Life as the Mother to His Children.   They are now both Holy.  Their Children come first in their Lives.  Their Children is everything to them.  They are the Perfect Parents.   

If there was still anything left in my Life you would have taken second place to it.  As it is now you are first.  In this I find my Life.  Spiritual Existence with God.  I have a Marriage.  The best there is.  With Him.  And I have a Family and many Kids.  For which I died as a man with a "good human existence" to be now their Spiritual Mother.  And they die to be our Son we desires for them to be.  The best there is.  Jesus Christ.  They give birth tot the Perfect Child.  Who finds the same sacrifice too.  As the Parents died for the Child so the Child has to die for the Parents.  In this the Perfect Family Bonds of Love is found.  The Perfect Love story.  Where the Father died first for His Family.  And the Mother also died for Her Family.  And the Child died for its Family.  And the Perfect Family Manifests in God"s Love through the Ultimate action.  

A cross for all.  

Gal. 4
19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you.

The Bible is bullshit!

(June 6, 2020 at 7:37 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(June 5, 2020 at 12:41 pm)Johanabrahams Wrote: Good.  Take specially note of my actions in Die Herberg.  At pages 18 and 19.

Yes, I highly reccommend it.
Page 18 https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p...&start=680
Page 19 https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p...&start=720
Page 27 https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p...start=1040

Page 18 in which you agreed the following statement was correct.

Quote:You interfered with your wife's employment, a children's school, violating the legally-establish curriculum by spouting your religious nonsense, and disrupting the children's education.

Then this...

Quote:You terrorized the children by telling them they had evil spirits inside them.

To which you responded...

Quote:Not just them. The children's teachers as well.

and a lot of other nonsense as well.

It was claimed that...

Quote:You repeatedly harassed the children's teachers.

To which you replied...

Quote:Yep. Every time they went into anger and rage against the children I spoke. But they complained and the head said I should stop speaking. And I stopped. Then something amazingly happened.

You also revealed that...

Quote:This time i was confined to my flat.

Yup. Incarcerated at home. Home arrest. Because of what you did.

When it was claimed that...

Quote:You publicly slandered three different ministers in front of their congregations, calling them 'liars' and their spouses 'dirty.'

You replied...

Quote:Yep. I said things in those lines.

Then...

Quote:You disrupted services at those three churches by loudly preaching your religious nonsense.

You admitted...

Quote:Nope. I was actually outside far away on the sidewalk as they chased me away. And I obeyed. Because not to have obeyed would have been reason for the police to take me. So Iactually just greeted them softly on their arrival to the church because the police was watching.

So your faith was so feeble that fear of the police presence was the only thing to scare you off.

But it worsens...

Quote: You harassed the three ministers both at their churches and at their homes.

And you said...

Quote:Yep. I went to their houses to speak "my religious nonsense". And when they chased me away. I said: No problem. I will even run. That is "giving the garment when the cloac"is taken. The advice from Jesus. And then I did not go again because to have went again would have been opportunity to phone the police and be put in prison.

Making it worse...

Quote:You refused to cease and desist your activities when ordered to by legal authorities.

To which you wrote...

Quote:True. When I operated the police were called to rescue the hundreds of people out of my hands. And when the police arrived I everybody was just giving a sign of relief. And then something amazing happened. When they though the police has defused the situation I just went on with what I was doing. And while the police watched me like hawks they didn't see anything wrong in what I was doing. And after some 15 minutes left again. This was going on for approximately 3 weeks. And then the police decided not to come out for me again. So they were forced to go for the court order.

All of that from your first post on page 18, yet somehow, you claim that it exonerates you or justifies your actions somehow.

(June 5, 2020 at 12:41 pm)Johanabrahams Wrote:   It was speaking and acting against the child abuse that was from the side of the Authorities. 

But YOU were the child abuser in the whole sorry mess.

(June 5, 2020 at 12:41 pm)Johanabrahams Wrote: And then you will also notice in the last post on page  27 someone that really did a lot of research on me admitted that there was no violence from my side.  And it will be very unlikely for me to be caught in that. 

Another lie. The last post on page 27 is from the forum admin and states...

Quote:1045 posts in this nonsense thread? You folks have a lot of stamina.

Got a couple of reports so I am locking it so I can review the complaints.

BTW and FYI, ed is the forum god.

(June 5, 2020 at 12:41 pm)Johanabrahams Wrote: But Abaddon said I was violently beating up the people with a "cudgel".

Nope. I said you threatened them, not that you assaulted them.

Quote:You interfered with your wife's employment, a children's school, violating the legally-establish curriculum by spouting your religious nonsense, and disrupting the children's education.

Sure.  I spoke against the "legally-established curriculum".  Stating that children should be ruled by fear.  According to the "curriculum" children had to fear their punishment by the pain the "bad tempered matrons and harsh and unfair principal" cause towards them.  

I said that God disciplines in Love and Wisdom.  Not the way they tried to link their ways to God. 

I first gave them a teaching in this regard.  And when they didn't accept it I proved it to them by doing it. And even took it to the streets. Their "bad tempers" vs Love. Their "harsh and unfairness" vs Wisdom. And they got "sick to death" by their own evil spirits.

Quote:You terrorized the children by telling them they had evil spirits inside them.

Explaining to the children that fear inside of them are an evil spirit caused by the "bad tempered matrons and unfair and harsh principal" is not really "terrorizing".   You will need to find something else to prove that.  

Quote:Not just them. The children's teachers as well.

At the same time that I acted in my way there were a writer in Die Herberg. Anoescka von Meck. The whole situation of the children abuse also made her act in writing a book on the situation. In Anoescka von Meck's book "Vaselinetjie" that she wrote on the situation the patrons were described as "bad tempered" and the principal as a "harsh and unfair" man. You will see the quote there. But unfortunately the links to the book is not working anymore. But it is easy to find the book on the internet.

These are "evil spirits" that ruled in Die Herberg. Same as your "anger" and your words coming from your mouth as result. And it is not strange that your marriage didn't last. Because you surely used them on your wife too?  But maybe you have a different word there for these feelings and the resulting actions.   You are welcome to tell us.  As being in the same boat as the patrons and the principal I can understand your pride in yourself trying to defend yourself too.

Quote:You disrupted services at those three churches by loudly preaching your religious nonsense.

Sure.   Explaining nicely to the congregation that the disciplining their pastors preached as from God by instilling fear is no Love.  That was surely "disruptive".  It was actually calling the "clergy out" on their lies.  And nobody felt good about what i was saying.  Specially since they witnessed for 5 years that I indeed disciplined my Children in Love and Wisdom. 

Quote:So your faith was so feeble that fear of the police presence was the only thing to scare you off.

So you admit I was always totally obedient to everything I was told.  Because my Power was only in the Love and Wisdom I always portrayed to all. 

Quote:You refused to cease and desist your activities when ordered to by legal authorities.

You are totally confused by your evil spirit of "backbiting" that you got from the pastors.  You just admitted that I obeyed.  Only a fool will not obey the police.  And if I didn't obey as you said then why was i not imprisoned? As i said previously. My Power was in Love and Wisdom. In my words. Not into any "violence" or disobedience or whatever all wants to attribute to me. I was no different there than i am now.

Quote:

(June 5, 2020 at 12:41 pm)Johanabrahams Wrote:   It was speaking and acting against the child abuse that was from the side of the Authorities. 

But YOU were the child abuser in the whole sorry mess.

The "bad tempered matrons and the unfair and harsh principal" according to Anoeschka were correct in their physical methods of "assault" in instilling fear?  And i was the abuser by speaking against it?  And Anoescka was also an "abuser" by writing a book on it?

Your "backbiting evil spirit" has totally blinded you.  Because just recently the government has acted against your "legally-establish curriculum" and rejected it for what it was.  The real "child abuse".  So our government accepting what I said is now the "wrong" ones?

Quote:

(June 5, 2020 at 12:41 pm)Johanabrahams Wrote: And then you will also notice in the last post on page  27 someone that really did a lot of research on me admitted that there was no violence from my side.  And it will be very unlikely for me to be caught in that. 

Another lie. The last post on page 27 is from the forum admin and states...

You know very well  I am speaking about Halleyscomet post there.  Why do you rather quote the wrong post?  Don't be "dishonest".  Everyone can see the "evil backbiting spirit" which you call "sacrosanct" ruling you. 

Quote:

(June 5, 2020 at 12:41 pm)Johanabrahams Wrote: But Abaddon said I was violently beating up the people with a "cudgel".

Nope. I said you threatened them, not that you assaulted them.

You said that I was a "violent" man threatening with a "cudgel".  But suddenly you find no evidence for the violence or the "cudgel".   Only one assault mentioned in the court orders.  And it was against me.  And I "turning the other cheek".  And then the one of the pastor where he was trying to strangle me which we talked about in SGU.  And I again turned the other cheek. 

I all of this your "evil spirit of anger in your backbiting" has been clearly established now.  Spinning the whole story to suit you and your pastor "friends".  Who only misused you for their own evil actions.  

I was speaking and acting against the evil spirit of fear introduced by the "bad tempered" patrons and "unfair and harsh principal" - According to Anoescka von Meck.  As it was given by the pastors as the disciplining ways of God.  In its place I established the Love and Wisdom in Forgiveness as from God.  For doing this i was persecuted for 20 years now.  And they pulled you in too.  And you stubbornly persist that you are so "loving and correct"?

So how does it feel to have been fighting their case of corporal punishment?  Against the ruling of our New Government.  You think the Government made the wrong ruling?  Are you into corporal punishment with your kids maybe?

(June 6, 2020 at 9:00 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: The Bible is bullshit!

(June 6, 2020 at 9:00 am)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(June 6, 2020 at 12:25 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: It was for You.

God is Holy to us.  This mean that there is nothing in His Life to which we take second place.  We are His everything.  

As His Wife I also had to be the same.  So God used a persecution to take away my wife and kids and family and friends and even my whole nation in Robertson.   He took my job as Reverend in the Dutch Reformed Church and my money.  When I left Robertson because nobody wanted me there I went to Nkqubela.  The black township on the outskirts.  Created in the Apartheid's regime. There I had to sell everything I had and buy food and clothes for the poor.  The widows and orphans.    

Mat. 19
 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
 23 ¶Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.


I thought I had nothing then.  Then God said to give my body.  I had to start serving them with my body.  Working for free.  I could do it because i had no life left to support.  I only needed food.  I reached my death.

Gal. 2
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

The same happened with Paul.  

1 Cor. 4
9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.
 10 We are fools for Christ’s sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised.
 11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;
 12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
 13 Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
 14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
 15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
 16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
 17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.

And Paul was also a man that had a "good" human life.

Phil. 3
4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
 5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
 6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

When God takes a Wife that Wife has to be holy like He is.  There can be no family in Her Life.

Luke 14
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Because we Love this "hatred" is strange.  But God does it by a persecution.

Mat. 10
 21  And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
 22  And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

And in that persecution we learn to hate everything of human life.  Not the person.  The person we Love.   But what constitutes of the person.  The intellectual life of the person that can force the person to act so contrary to Love.  So we die totally to human life.  This is necessary to really find Love.  Love for our enemies too.  

Mat. 5
44  But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
 45  That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
 46  For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
 47  And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
 48  Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

And now God has created for Himself a Wife.  Who is Holy as He is holy.  There is nothing left anymore to which His Children will take second place in Her Life as the Mother to His Children.   They are now both Holy.  Their Children come first in their Lives.  Their Children is everything to them.  They are the Perfect Parents.   

If there was still anything left in my Life you would have taken second place to it.  As it is now you are first.  In this I find my Life.  Spiritual Existence with God.  I have a Marriage.  The best there is.  With Him.  And I have a Family and many Kids.  For which I died as a man with a "good human existence" to be now their Spiritual Mother.  And they die to be our Son we desires for them to be.  The best there is.  Jesus Christ.  They give birth tot the Perfect Child.  Who finds the same sacrifice too.  As the Parents died for the Child so the Child has to die for the Parents.  In this the Perfect Family Bonds of Love is found.  The Perfect Love story.  Where the Father died first for His Family.  And the Mother also died for Her Family.  And the Child died for its Family.  And the Perfect Family Manifests in God"s Love through the Ultimate action.  

A cross for all.  

Gal. 4
19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you.

The Bible is bullshit!

So it is a Perfect "Coincidence"?

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(June 6, 2020 at 9:04 am)Fierce Wrote:

(June 6, 2020 at 9:00 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: The Bible is bullshit!

Huh?

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(June 6, 2020 at 12:33 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(June 6, 2020 at 12:25 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: It was for You.

(Edit) Lots of stuff (/Edit)

So... just quoting the/a book is not, actually, evidence. It is just restating the claim(s).

So, again. I ask you for the 'Objective' evidence fr your diety.

Cheers.

Not at work.

So evidence and "claim" perfectly align?   Amazing!

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(June 6, 2020 at 12:29 am)possibletarian Wrote:

(June 6, 2020 at 12:25 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: It was for You.

God is Holy to us.  This mean that there is nothing in His Life to which we take second place.  We are His everything.  

As His Wife I also had to be the same.  So God used a persecution to take away my wife and kids and family and friends and even my whole nation in Robertson.   He took my job as Reverend in the Dutch Reformed Church and my money.  When I left Robertson because nobody wanted me there I went to Nkqubela.  The black township on the outskirts.  Created in the Apartheid's regime. There I had to sell everything I had and buy food and clothes for the poor.  The widows and orphans.    

Mat. 19
 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
 23 ¶Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.


I thought I had nothing then.  Then God said to give my body.  I had to start serving them with my body.  Working for free.  I could do it because i had no life left to support.  I only needed food.  I reached my death.

Gal. 2
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

The same happened with Paul.  

1 Cor. 4
9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.
 10 We are fools for Christ’s sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised.
 11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;
 12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
 13 Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
 14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
 15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
 16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
 17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.

And Paul was also a man that had a "good" human life.

Phil. 3
4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
 5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
 6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

When God takes a Wife that Wife has to be holy like He is.  There can be no family in Her Life.

Luke 14
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Because we Love this "hatred" is strange.  But God does it by a persecution.  By all.

Mat. 10
 21  And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
 22  And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

And in that persecution we learn to hate everything of human life.  Not the person.  The person we Love.   But what constitutes of the person.  The intellectual life of the person that can force the person to act so contrary to Love.  So we die totally to human life.  This is necessary to really find Love.  Love for our enemies too.  

Mat. 5
44  But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
 45  That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
 46  For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
 47  And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
 48  Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

And now God has created for Himself a Wife.  Who is Holy as He is holy.  There is nothing left anymore to which His Children will take second place in Her Life as the Mother to His Children.   They are now both Holy.  Their Children come first in their Lives of Holiness.  

If there was still anything left in my Life you would have taken second place to it.  As it is now you are first.  In this I find my Life.  Spiritual Existence with God.  I have a Marriage.  The best there is.  With Him.  And I have a Family and many Kids.  For which I died as a man with a "good human existence" to be now their Spiritual Mother.  And they die to be our Son we desires for them to be.  The best there is.  Jesus Christ.

Gal. 4
19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you.

Nice bible quotes that those 'inferior human intellects' wrote

Seems those "inferior" humans were "spot on"?

(June 6, 2020 at 9:58 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: Huh?

It's not for everyone.

(June 5, 2020 at 2:56 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(June 5, 2020 at 9:35 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: Good.   You did your part well.  So then you should know that the only assault mentioned there was from someone that "slapped" me.  Actually he came in with his fist whirring.  Seems he had some training in fighting too.  Because one landed on my throat.  Was sore for a long time.  And when authority cornered him he changed it to a "slap". 

But the important about the situation was my reactions.  Just like in any other of the 38 assaults against me that year.  Just turning the other cheek. 

And you put the "cudgel" in my hands?  the anger evil spirit that were blown up by those into "backbiting".  Totally blinded you.  You didn't even see that my actions were never described there.  Only the "feelings" of those fighting against me.  And my actions and words were "cleverly" hidden. 

Because they were too much revealing of the real culprits. 

But of course you also read "Nicky"s studies of the court orders and the conclusions there.  Where we arrived at my actual actions and words inside of Die Herberg that made them "ban" me with court orders. 

They were covering up their own disgrace.  Because if it was revealed they would most probably have lost their jobs.  Fear of being "jobless" is a real "killer".  God them all "sick to death".

Lies.

When are you going to tell us all about this "crisis" you think I am having? 

You really are running away from that like the coward you truly are.

Quote:Lies.

Proven now to be the Truth.  

Quote:When are you going to tell us all about this "crisis" you think I am having? 

It is Perfectly clear.  

Quote:You really are running away from that like the coward you truly are.

Yep.  There are many "cowards". 

The only one running was you from the assault of the pastor on me in SGU.  Why have you not yet linked us?  Still "running"?

And of course you running from facing your "friends"/the pastors  about having "misused" you for their agenda. 

And then you running in failing to tell them to face me.

And then of course:

Your "friends"/pastors running from facing me here.   So if you stop with your running you can bring us something?  Cowardice is also an evil spirit not sitting well in your soul.  Seems it was him that forced you to try and pin "cowardice" on me?

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(June 5, 2020 at 2:21 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(June 5, 2020 at 9:45 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: It is because of the inferior human existence in intellect.  The intellect is always looking for something new.  No wonder it can not keep Relationships going for long.  But on the other hand Love expressed in the same words ("I love you") are always new. 

You were on the doorstep and you turned around?  The perfectly giving of oneself to each other is the Highest Existence possible.  It is the Godly Existence.  Where you are saved from your dead Adam life.  And decided to be the one God desires.  Both having died for each other creates the Highest Love possible.  Human existence in family life is only a shadow of the True Family existence.  Where children are forced into a child and parent relationships in human families vs God's Family where it is actually chosen.  

And that mean of course that it can be rejected too.

Huh?

There is still some immediate "saving" to do in your regard.  The "dragon" life is not a good life.  There in the latest links to the Skeptic Society forum you will see more about this particular saving. On page 11.  Where Love and Wisdom rules in forums too.  And "Pyrrho" is released from the "dragons". 

Unfortunately it was just temporarily for him.

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(June 5, 2020 at 12:09 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(June 5, 2020 at 8:49 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: The real "scary" is now the Love and Wisdom of God ruling in the world.  No more laws and punishment. And now more fear.  Being controlled with fear right here in your "beloved forum".  Because to be punished with a "ban" is just too much for you to bear.  God does not rule that Way.  There is no laws with God and no "bans".  No fear and no punishment.  The "utopia" now a Reality.  Also on the Internet.  Enjoy!

There are many dragons.  Those still wanting to rule in their fear and punishment with bans.  Breaking up friendships that has been formed.  And using that against others to keep "peace".  Which of course is a false "peace".

Your eyes just need to open to see.  God vs the "dragons".  To release you of your present "fearful" existence.

Okay...

Got to remind myself 'Language barrier'. Got it.

So.. thank you for the... expansion of your thoughts.

So.. how about that 'Objective' example of your diety then?

Cheers.

Not at work.

The "Objective" example is getting more clear every day.  But of course.  Some choose to stay blind.

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(June 5, 2020 at 9:23 am)Sal Wrote:

(June 5, 2020 at 4:09 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: I did.  But you maybe didn't understand my answer.

Your reply was a complete dodge.

I'll ask again: Where Adam & Eve innocent before they ate of the Tree of Knowledge?

Sure.  They were "innocent". They have not yet rejected God's Love.   But they also have not chosen yet to eat from the Tree of Life.  Decided to Love God for who He is.

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(June 6, 2020 at 10:09 am)Fierce Wrote:

(June 6, 2020 at 9:58 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: Huh?

It's not for everyone.  

Then give one that we can share.

(June 6, 2020 at 9:58 am)Johanabrahams Wrote:

(June 6, 2020 at 12:33 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: So... just quoting the/a book is not, actually, evidence. It is just restating the claim(s).

So, again. I ask you for the 'Objective' evidence fr your diety.

Cheers.

So evidence and "claim" perfectly align?   Amazing!

Uhm... no.
Okay... you keep quoting and referencing the bible.
I am asking for what 'Objective' evidence do you have about any dietys?
Pointing to a book with words in it is simply refeancing a compiled list of claims. The book and the claims within are not evidence.
Hope that's a bit clearer for your Enlgish abilities.
Cheers.
Not at work.