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Seattle Chief of Police resigns Due Budget Cuts
#51
RE: Seattle Chief of Police resigns Due Budget Cuts
Police don't deter crime. I thought we learned that when NY Cops cut back on arrests to protest their treatment, and crime went down.
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#52
RE: Seattle Chief of Police resigns Due Budget Cuts
(August 12, 2020 at 4:13 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(August 12, 2020 at 4:09 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: LOL, no they don't.


You do have an ... amazing ... grasp of the issues.

Well, if cops don’t prevent crime, and they don’t respond to crimes already committed, what’s the point of having them at all?

Boru
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#53
RE: Seattle Chief of Police resigns Due Budget Cuts
(August 12, 2020 at 11:19 pm)Cecelia Wrote: Police don't deter crime.  I thought we learned that when NY Cops cut back on arrests to protest their treatment, and crime went down.

Do you believe in prayers affecting outcomes too?


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You have two separate datums. Not causality.
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#54
RE: Seattle Chief of Police resigns Due Budget Cuts
(August 13, 2020 at 6:50 am)onlinebiker Wrote:
(August 12, 2020 at 11:19 pm)Cecelia Wrote: Police don't deter crime.  I thought we learned that when NY Cops cut back on arrests to protest their treatment, and crime went down.

Do you believe in prayers affecting outcomes too?


...

You have two separate datums. Not causality.
Police cars are frequently parked outside banks when they're not in use. Why? To deter crime. How is this measured? It isn't.
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#55
RE: Seattle Chief of Police resigns Due Budget Cuts
Raw numbers of patrol officers have been declining for years. Between 1997 and 2016 we went from 242/100k - 217/100k (police/res). During that same period, violent crime dropped 37%.

Turns out that crime doesn't go up or down based on staffing, it goes up or down based on what officers are doing with their time. Hmn...sounds familiar.

-and if crown vics deter crime, then we should lay off some cops and buy more crown vics. They're cheaper, and less prone to accidentally killing our fellow citizen, or gassing the people who protest it.
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#56
RE: Seattle Chief of Police resigns Due Budget Cuts
(August 13, 2020 at 6:50 am)onlinebiker Wrote:
(August 12, 2020 at 11:19 pm)Cecelia Wrote: Police don't deter crime.  I thought we learned that when NY Cops cut back on arrests to protest their treatment, and crime went down.

Do you believe in prayers affecting outcomes too?


...

You have two separate datums. Not causality.

Here's the study: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-017-0211-5
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#57
RE: Seattle Chief of Police resigns Due Budget Cuts
I can go find 2 studies that increased policing DOES lower certain crimes - robbery for one.....

We could throw studies back and forth all day z or simply get down to comparing dick length.....


Nothing proved.
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#58
RE: Seattle Chief of Police resigns Due Budget Cuts
What you'll find is that cops spending more of their billed hours actively participating in some anti robbery program, reduces robberies. Not hiring more cops, or paying cops more.

Increased staffing and increased wages does not equate to increased policing, or to lower crime rates. Just ask the SPD.

There are other more effective and less costly ways to reduce robberies, as well, as has already been explained. The use of force by the state should probably be the last line, and the most scrutinized and contained line, wouldn't you agree? These are the guys who are coming to take your -insert x here-, after all.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#59
RE: Seattle Chief of Police resigns Due Budget Cuts
(August 13, 2020 at 10:04 am)onlinebiker Wrote: I can go find 2 studies that increased policing DOES lower certain crimes - robbery for one.....

We could throw studies back and forth all day z or simply get down to comparing dick length.....


Nothing proved.

(Emphasis mine)

Go on, then. That should prove interesting.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#60
RE: Seattle Chief of Police resigns Due Budget Cuts
(August 13, 2020 at 10:04 am)onlinebiker Wrote: I can go find 2 studies that increased policing DOES lower certain crimes - robbery for one.....

We could throw studies back and forth all day z or simply get down to comparing dick length.....


Nothing proved.

Find them right now so I can read them and compare.
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