(August 19, 2020 at 1:34 pm)Deesse23 Wrote:

(August 19, 2020 at 12:50 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: ‘Degree’ is what matters. The way Israel responds to Palestinian ‘attacks’ is like me firebombing your house because you shortchanged me at the market.

Boru

If it was just kids throwing rocks, the issue of "whose fault is it" would have been settled: "Israel responds to rocks with bullets". But its not.


As you already said: The crux is that each faction does not acknowledge the rightfulness of the claim of the other faction on Palestine.

Put that way, I agree completely. Plenty of blame to go round.

Boru

(August 19, 2020 at 10:32 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 19, 2020 at 9:02 am)WinterHold Wrote: Palestine belongs to its native Palestinian people, the land belongs to these natives, not to invaders.

The earliest residents of Palestine were the Canaanites, the cultural ancestors of the Israelites. 

In other words, the ‘native Palestinian people’ you refer to are Israelites, or (if you prefer) Jews. 

This isn’t to say that modern Palestinians didn’t get horrible treatment and a raw deal - they absolutely did.  It’s a shonda the way they’ve been treated.

Boru

I totally believe you..
That's why they were mostly Europeans; brought to Palestine via ships from the sea; wave after wave.

You make total sense.
Left is right.
Right is left.
War is peace.
Peace is war.

(August 19, 2020 at 2:16 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(August 19, 2020 at 10:32 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The earliest residents of Palestine were the Canaanites, the cultural ancestors of the Israelites. 

In other words, the ‘native Palestinian people’ you refer to are Israelites, or (if you prefer) Jews. 

This isn’t to say that modern Palestinians didn’t get horrible treatment and a raw deal - they absolutely did.  It’s a shonda the way they’ve been treated.

Boru

I totally believe you..
That's why they were mostly Europeans; brought to Palestine via ships from the sea; wave after wave.

You make total sense.
Left is right.
Right is left.
War is peace.
Peace is war.

It’s not a question of belief, it’s a fact that the Canaanites/Israelites were the earliest known inhabitants of Palestine. They gradually migrated out of the area and returned after WWII as recompense for the Holocaust. This bit isn’t a matter for debate. It’s also drastically over-simplified, but that’s as may be.

What is a matter for debate is whether removing the Palestinians to make room for returning Jews was justified (in my view, it manifestly was not, but there IS a debate about it). 

Boru

(August 19, 2020 at 12:33 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 19, 2020 at 12:13 pm)brewer Wrote: If history repeats, some terrorist act will derail this.

Maybe not. It’s only a terrorist act if a Palestinian throw a rock. If Israel responds with a missile barrage, it’s called ‘national defense’.

Boru

Yep, Israel likes to claim any response as retaliation for being attacked first. They might perform their own terrorist act and claim not our fault.

(August 19, 2020 at 2:23 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 19, 2020 at 2:16 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I totally believe you..
That's why they were mostly Europeans; brought to Palestine via ships from the sea; wave after wave.

You make total sense.
Left is right.
Right is left.
War is peace.
Peace is war.

It’s not a question of belief, it’s a fact that the Canaanites/Israelites were the earliest known inhabitants of Palestine. They gradually migrated out of the area and returned after WWII as recompense for the Holocaust. This bit isn’t a matter for debate. It’s also drastically over-simplified, but that’s as may be.

What is a matter for debate is whether removing the Palestinians to make room for returning Jews was justified (in my view, it manifestly was not, but there IS a debate about it). 

Boru

I always believed that Jews got used by the British empire to become the "landmine" the empire leaves behind after its departure from the region. The British empire left such landmines everywhere around Africa and Asia.

It's not a matter of right -because genetically we are all related as humans-, it's a mere justification for the "landmine's" presence though. Israel -even based on biblical sources- was firstly invaded by the original Jews. 

Also you can't say "Canaanites/Jews"; the "Canaanites =/= Jews.

(August 19, 2020 at 3:42 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(August 19, 2020 at 2:23 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It’s not a question of belief, it’s a fact that the Canaanites/Israelites were the earliest known inhabitants of Palestine. They gradually migrated out of the area and returned after WWII as recompense for the Holocaust. This bit isn’t a matter for debate. It’s also drastically over-simplified, but that’s as may be.

What is a matter for debate is whether removing the Palestinians to make room for returning Jews was justified (in my view, it manifestly was not, but there IS a debate about it). 

Boru

I always believed that Jews got used by the British empire to become the "landmine" the empire leaves behind after its departure from the region. The British empire left such landmines everywhere around Africa and Asia.

It's not a matter of right -because genetically we are all related as humans-, it's a mere justification for the "landmine's" presence though. Israel -even based on biblical sources- was firstly invaded by the original Jews. 

Also you can't say "Canaanites/Jews"; the "Canaanites =/= Jews.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites

Quote:Based on the archaeological evidence, according to the modern archaeological account, the Israelites and their culture did not overtake the region by force, but instead branched out of the indigenous Canaanite peoples that long inhabited the Southern Levant, Syria, ancient Israel, and the Transjordan region[8][9][10] through a gradual evolution of a distinct monolatristic—later cementing as monotheistic—religion centered on Yahweh. The outgrowth of Yahweh-centric monolatrism from Canaanite polytheismstarted with Yahwism, the belief in the existence of the many gods and goddesses of the Canaanite pantheon but with the consistent worship of only Yahweh. Along with a number of cultic practices, this gave rise to a separate Israelite ethnic group identity. The final transition of their Yahweh-based religion to monotheism and rejection of the existence of the other Canaanite gods set the Israelites apart from their fellow Canaanite brethren.[11][12][13] The Israelites, however, continued to retain various cultural commonalities with other Canaanites, including use of one of the Canaanite dialects, , which is today the only living descendant of that language group.

Boru

(August 19, 2020 at 3:42 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Also you can't say "Canaanites/Jews"; the "Canaanites =/= Jews.

But you can say Jews = Zionists
Right?

(August 19, 2020 at 3:51 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 19, 2020 at 3:42 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I always believed that Jews got used by the British empire to become the "landmine" the empire leaves behind after its departure from the region. The British empire left such landmines everywhere around Africa and Asia.

It's not a matter of right -because genetically we are all related as humans-, it's a mere justification for the "landmine's" presence though. Israel -even based on biblical sources- was firstly invaded by the original Jews. 

Also you can't say "Canaanites/Jews"; the "Canaanites =/= Jews.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites

Quote:Based on the archaeological evidence, according to the modern archaeological account, the Israelites and their culture did not overtake the region by force, but instead branched out of the indigenous Canaanite peoples that long inhabited the Southern Levant, Syria, ancient Israel, and the Transjordan region[8][9][10] through a gradual evolution of a distinct monolatristic—later cementing as monotheistic—religion centered on Yahweh. The outgrowth of Yahweh-centric monolatrism from Canaanite polytheismstarted with Yahwism, the belief in the existence of the many gods and goddesses of the Canaanite pantheon but with the consistent worship of only Yahweh. Along with a number of cultic practices, this gave rise to a separate Israelite ethnic group identity. The final transition of their Yahweh-based religion to monotheism and rejection of the existence of the other Canaanite gods set the Israelites apart from their fellow Canaanite brethren.[11][12][13] The Israelites, however, continued to retain various cultural commonalities with other Canaanites, including use of one of the Canaanite dialects, , which is today the only living descendant of that language group.

Boru

You brought your evidence and it is authentic.
Thus; they do have Canaanite blood in their ranks, but it doesn't give them the right to invade another country.

Or else, Americans have the right to return to Europe too.

(August 19, 2020 at 4:18 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(August 19, 2020 at 3:51 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites



Boru

You brought your evidence and it is authentic.
Thus; they do have Canaanite blood in their ranks, but it doesn't give them the right to invade another country.

Or else, Americans have the right to return to Europe too.

I never said they had that right. I’ve said (three times now) that the modern Palestinians were and are treated shamefully. That’s what ‘shonda’ means.

Boru

(August 19, 2020 at 4:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 19, 2020 at 4:18 pm)WinterHold Wrote: You brought your evidence and it is authentic.
Thus; they do have Canaanite blood in their ranks, but it doesn't give them the right to invade another country.

Or else, Americans have the right to return to Europe too.

I never said they had that right. I’ve said (three times now) that the modern Palestinians were and are treated shamefully. That’s what ‘shonda’ means.

Boru

It wasn't just shameful, they were brutalized and met a worse fate than that Jews saw at the hands of Hitler.
Britain and the zionist government deserve international trial.