(September 3, 2020 at 3:12 pm)Ranjr Wrote: Spikes in a transient period doesn't mean there will be spikes in the steady state.  I think I'll wait to see what Time magazine has to say.

Besides, who needs cops when we have angry white dudes with assault weapons?

Who's gonna take down the angry white dudes with assault weapons? 

You?

(September 3, 2020 at 3:15 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(September 3, 2020 at 3:12 pm)Ranjr Wrote: Spikes in a transient period doesn't mean there will be spikes in the steady state.  I think I'll wait to see what Time magazine has to say.

Besides, who needs cops when we have angry white dudes with assault weapons?

Who's gonna take down the angry white dudes with assault weapons? 

You?

Is that a challenge?

(September 3, 2020 at 3:11 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(September 3, 2020 at 3:01 pm)Angrboda Wrote: I'd like to see some citations for these.  Complaining about others pulling shit from their asses isn't going to get very far if you're simply doing the same.

Get to know a few cops..

Look at the help wanted classified - departments in all the "fun" places - Chicago, Portland, Atlanta - are hiring.

Or - try Google. 

You aren't going to believe me - because it really sounds like you have your mind made up
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Wow. You drew all that from my comment? You must be some sort of stable genius. Me, I'm just a humble and lovable shoeshine girl looking for a citation.

Quote:Who's gonna take down the angry white dudes with assault weapons? 

You?

Why not ? 

The cops generally pussyfoot them anyway .Even when their gun directly in their face.

(September 3, 2020 at 3:15 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(September 3, 2020 at 3:12 pm)Ranjr Wrote: Spikes in a transient period doesn't mean there will be spikes in the steady state.  I think I'll wait to see what Time magazine has to say.

Besides, who needs cops when we have angry white dudes with assault weapons?

Who's gonna take down the angry white dudes with assault weapons? 

You?

Unlikely, but if I have no choice I'll give a go.  Clearly the cops have no interest in it.

Are you agreeing that angry white dudes with assault weapons are a real threat?

(September 3, 2020 at 3:17 pm)Angrboda Wrote:

(September 3, 2020 at 3:11 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Get to know a few cops..

Look at the help wanted classified - departments in all the "fun" places - Chicago, Portland, Atlanta - are hiring.

Or - try Google. 

You aren't going to believe me - because it really sounds like you have your mind made up
.....

Wow.  You drew all that from my comment?  You must be some sort of stable genius.  Me, I'm just a humble and lovable shoeshine girl looking for a citation.

Indeed his devastating debate tactic of "google it " mixed with snark for daring question his assertion . Truly genious

(September 3, 2020 at 2:03 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(September 3, 2020 at 1:46 pm)brewer Wrote: Not been on a ride along (not sure why that matters). To be on our local review board you have to be appointed. I'm not political enough to be noticed, let alone appointed.

Never spent a shift with a LEO, so you really know jack shit about what they do.

Quote:I didn't say I wanted to fix things cause I don't have a horse in that race. Where I live we don't have a policing problem,....... yet.

Get started NOW and you may never have a problem.

Quote:I can be as complacent as I want to be and still have an opinion/observation.

And a useless opinion/observation it would be.

This coming from an OWM reliving his salad days. Yep, you know exactly the interaction between POC and law enforcement.

Quote:Bingo. This shit is making the situation worse, not better. Who wants a job where the clients constantly disrespects you?

Things are tilting too far the other way, and the shit will be very bad dating from this period.

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I've asked repeatedly how many of us have been on police ride-a-longs (to let the police know we're watching them and to get to know the officers that may be required to risk their lives for us) and how many have been to their local version of police review boards (to let the city officials and the police brass know we care). Dud thuds were heard throughout the land.

Your complacency makes you complicent. You want to fix things? Stop being a passenger, dead weight, too busy to care.

Translation -Babysit the police

In case it hasn't been said already, correlation does not imply causation.

Police presence does not deter crime. That's because police do not address the root causes of crime. All police can do, in most cases, is react to crimes that have already been committed. And in fact most crimes go unsolved. The idea that a man planning to murder his wife, suddenly decides against it because the local police station hired more cops (or decides to go through with it because the local police station got rid of more cops) is patently absurd. Same goes for the man planning to rob a bank, or a gas station.

When people say "Defund the police" they don't mean "Defund the police, and then do nothing else." They mean "Defund police, and fund social service programs, and schools, and other root causes of crime instead."

I'm not too bothered about police leaving because they can't shoot people willy nilly anymore. Good riddance to them. They're the bad ones, believe it or not.

(September 3, 2020 at 3:20 pm)Ranjr Wrote:

(September 3, 2020 at 3:15 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Who's gonna take down the angry white dudes with assault weapons? 

You?

Unlikely, but if I have no choice I'll give a go.  Clearly the cops have no interest in it.

Are you agreeing that angry white dudes with assault weapons are a real threat?

When they ARE real.

When they are only in the imagination of anti-gun types - not so much.....

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(September 3, 2020 at 3:32 pm)Cecelia Wrote: In case it hasn't been said already, correlation does not imply causation.

Police presence does not deter crime.  That's because police do not address the root causes of crime.  All police can do, in most cases, is react to crimes that have already been committed.  And in fact most crimes go unsolved.  The idea that a man planning to murder his wife, suddenly decides against it because the local police station hired more cops (or decides to go through with it because the local police station got rid of more cops) is patently absurd.  Same goes for the man planning to rob a bank, or a gas station.

When people say "Defund the police" they don't mean "Defund the police, and then do nothing else."  They mean "Defund police, and fund social service programs, and schools, and other root causes of crime instead."

I'm not too bothered about police leaving because they can't shoot people willy nilly anymore.  Good riddance to them.  They're the bad ones, believe it or not.

A real expert there huh?

Exactly how many cops do you know? How often do you talk to them? How often do they bring beer?  How often do you talk to them about the job?

How many are you related to?

How many live in your neighborhood?