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**outtathereligioncloset** · September 20, 2020 at 8:52 pm

Those who choose NOT to vote, should never be allowed to bitch about the actions of who won.

**Rhizomorph13** · September 20, 2020 at 8:54 pm

(September 20, 2020 at 8:52 pm)outtathereligioncloset Wrote: Those who choose NOT to vote, should never be allowed to bitch about the actions of who won.

So, if there was a dumpster fire and I walked away from it I'm more to blame that another person who adds fuel to that fire?

I'm voting for Biden by the way, because he has some good policies. That being said, participating in the voting process is by no means more virtuous than abstaining depending on why you are choosing one action over the other.

**The Grand Nudger**

Saint Carlin cleared that up years ago. The only people responsible for what political candidates do, are people who vote.

**Mister Agenda** · September 21, 2020 at 10:09 am

(September 21, 2020 at 5:43 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Saint Carlin cleared that up years ago. The only people responsible for what political candidates do, are people who vote.

Argument from Carlin?

Anomalocaris · September 21, 2020 at 10:13 am

(September 21, 2020 at 5:43 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Saint Carlin cleared that up years ago. The only people responsible for what political candidates do, are people who can vote. Until they can’t vote anymore.

FTFY

**Silver** · (This post was last modified: September 21, 2020 at 10:15 am by Silver.)

(September 21, 2020 at 5:43 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Saint Carlin cleared that up years ago. The only people responsible for what political candidates do, are people who vote.

Which is why I still think it would be a good idea if we all agreed together and simply did not vote at all.

What would our government do then?

**The Grand Nudger** · September 21, 2020 at 10:16 am

Peace be upon him, and all that.

The constant gripe of committed dems that it's someone else's fault that their candidate failed to inspire or win is hot garbage. Want more votes, go out and get em. You don't need them to win, getting more votes won't mean that you will win, and that's not why you've been losing in the first place.

You're losing because you've reduced yourselves to the moderate wing of american fascism for fear of upsetting the deplorables. You lose even when you take office.

**Mister Agenda** · (This post was last modified: September 21, 2020 at 10:19 am by Mister Agenda.)

(September 21, 2020 at 10:15 am)Eleven Wrote:
(September 21, 2020 at 5:43 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Saint Carlin cleared that up years ago. The only people responsible for what political candidates do, are people who vote.

Which is why I still think it would be a good idea if we all agreed together and simply did not vote at all.

What would our government do then?

Whatever they want with no fear of losing reelection no matter what they do is my impression.

When I was a libertarian I would sometimes remark how there's not a dime's worth of difference between Democrats and Republicans. The Democrats didn't do anything to change my mind, but the Republicans sure did.

**The Grand Nudger**

(September 21, 2020 at 10:15 am)Eleven Wrote: Which is why I still think it would be a good idea if we all agreed together and simply did not vote at all.

What would our government do then?

The same things they do now, that's the farce.

It's not whether we do or don't vote, but whether we've created a system in which our votes matter, and our votes surround things that might actually do what we hope to achieve by voting for them. I think that we've gone with theater instead, as is our habit.

Mitch already does whatever he wants without fear of losing an election. How many right wing politicians seem concerned about their seats? Do they act like people concerned? Losing to you..or to an even nuttier even righter creature?

**Silver** · (This post was last modified: September 21, 2020 at 10:22 am by Silver.)

Then what we really need is a revolution against the government, make them change. Unfortunately, I see myself moving out of the country before people here give a fuck.

And me moving out of the no-more-good ole' US of A is not an empty threat at this point. I see this country going sideways in a manner that I don't want to be around to encounter.

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