Quote:I have been a member of the NRA - almost as long as you have been a member of NAMBLA.

Accept he never accused you of being a member of the NRA he accused you of repeating their talking points . Which you do 

Quote:Go fuck yourself.

Triggered much ?

(October 24, 2020 at 10:35 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: And yet you parrot their party line constantly whenever the issue of gun control comes up. Or whenever it doesn’t and you have to bring it up yourself, like this thread. You may not be a member, but you sure as shit act like one.

Any possible threat of gun control and you act like the sky is falling. Or like a petulant child throwing a tantrum about refusing to share your toys, even when, in practice, you’re not even the one being asked to do anything. (Note: the vast majority of gun control laws only cover future sales and leave the owners who already have them alone. And the few I’ve seen that don’t limit the confiscation to people who already have or are about to commit a violent felony

I call it like I see it.
I don't take marching orders from the NRA or you.

I don’t think I’ll ever understand the objection that some gun rights supporters have to taking additional steps to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people.

I’m stupid that way.

Boru

Quote:I call it like I see it.

Which conveniently is word for word how the NRA sees it   

Quote:I don't take marching orders from the NRA or you

You don't need to take orders from them to spew their nonesense

(October 25, 2020 at 5:10 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I don’t think I’ll ever understand the objection that some gun rights supporters have to taking additional steps to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people.

I’m stupid that way.

Boru

Because those steps rarely if ever work. So they keep trying new gun laws until they try the one that says "no guns".

(October 25, 2020 at 5:13 am)onlinebiker Wrote:

(October 25, 2020 at 5:10 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I don’t think I’ll ever understand the objection that some gun rights supporters have to taking additional steps to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people.

I’m stupid that way.

Boru

Because those steps rarely if ever work. So they keep trying new gun laws until they try the one that says "no guns".

Dude, listen to yourself. You're even word for word, spewing the exact same rhetoric the gun lobbyists, NRA or whoever, about the slippery slope of "dhey gunna thake meh gunz awai!" party line ever since they became political, when they saw dollar signs for existing as gun lobbyists instead of an organization concerned with the 2nd Amendment and actually about guns.

I'm not pulling this out my ass, just read their own words on their About page on their own website, for the NRA:
https://home.nra.org/about-the-nra/

Now, what are, in this case the NRA, saying in a PR environment - set apart from their own words on their own website? I'm positive you'll find an incongruence. They were originally about safe gun use, self-defence and later voiced & made their support for the hunting community known. All this political bullshit was attached years later in 1934 (from their own About page).

Where I live, we don't have anything coming close to a gun club like the NRA, even though we have loads of guns for hunting hares and various birds in the mountains and at sea. We obviously have a different culture on guns than Americans, which I personally as an outside observer find to be fetishizing guns. I think these gun clubs should exclusively be about safe & educational use of guns in training, self-defence and hunting. But that's just me. Leave the political bullshit to politicians, and I'm confident in saying a lot politicians unassociated with any gun clubs are sympathetic with any alterations of the 2nd Amendment, and would fight that, while still being uninvolved with any gun club. Thanks to lobbying, the reality is different from that vision.

*sigh*

Enough with this gun control politicized bullshit; all I'm seeing in this incidence, from the OPs article, is a person with mental health challenges (they're alluding to him having Aspergers in the article) that veered straight off a cliff, into actual & tangible intentions to fuck shit up, in this case a plan to murder a presidential candidate. BTW, the NRA is not mentioned once in the article.

(October 24, 2020 at 8:43 am)onlinebiker Wrote:

(October 24, 2020 at 5:43 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Let's imagine they left the guns out of the story entirely. The article simply reports that man in possession of child pornography has multiple IDs and has researched possible ways to kill Joe Biden. It further states that he has multiple IDs and expressed interest in raping children and murdering their parents. But no mention of guns or explosives.

Is that good reporting?

Boru

I do prefer accuracy in reporting.
Opinions and attempts at forming them belong on the editorial page.
This is clearly biased journalism.

---

(October 24, 2020 at 5:51 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: The trouble with letting anyone own guns is that they are effective killing machines, so even a non mastermind dorky idiot is perfectly capable of killing well protected people in your country.

Its why reasonable countries have strict controls on their use and its only countries like the US, Afghantistan and Somalia that just let people walk around with that kind of stuff.

They are also very good tools for self defense.


If you feel safe by being helpless - that's up to you.


Have at it. You can be the designated victim..


Now don't struggle - that's vigilantism..

I do feel perfectly safe. My country is mainly a safe country.
That people do not go around "tooled up" here with the possible exception of some farmers may be part of it.
But also we are not fearful people.
I find the fear that permeates america strange. It seems to be the main emotion over there. 

But then as a french girlfriend I had once said to me when a group of young americans went by our table at a cafe in Paris being loud and well american "America is a nation of children".

(October 25, 2020 at 6:26 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(October 24, 2020 at 8:43 am)onlinebiker Wrote: I do prefer accuracy in reporting.
Opinions and attempts at forming them belong on the editorial page.
This is clearly biased journalism.

---

They are also very good tools for self defense.


If you feel safe by being helpless - that's up to you.


Have at it. You can be the designated victim..


Now don't struggle - that's vigilantism..

I do feel perfectly safe. My country is mainly a safe country.
That people do not go around "tooled up" here with the possible exception of some farmers may be part of it.
But also we are not fearful people.
I find the fear that permeates america strange. It seems to be the main emotion over there. 

But then as a french girlfriend I had once said to me when a group of young americans went by our table at a cafe in Paris being loud and well american "America is a nation of children".

I think for the US, it’s kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you start by making gun ownership a right, it becomes easy to own a gun (or guns). Over time, the rate of gun ownership skyrockets, which creates fear. Being afraid makes you want to have a gun, which is easy to do because it’s a right. And so on.

New Zealand has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world, but I never, ever worry about being shot.

Boru

(October 25, 2020 at 6:51 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(October 25, 2020 at 6:26 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: I do feel perfectly safe. My country is mainly a safe country.
That people do not go around "tooled up" here with the possible exception of some farmers may be part of it.
But also we are not fearful people.
I find the fear that permeates america strange. It seems to be the main emotion over there. 

But then as a french girlfriend I had once said to me when a group of young americans went by our table at a cafe in Paris being loud and well american "America is a nation of children".

I think for the US, it’s kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you start by making gun ownership a right, it becomes easy to own a gun (or guns). Over time, the rate of gun ownership skyrockets, which creates fear. Being afraid makes you want to have a gun, which is easy to do because it’s a right. And so on.

New Zealand has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world, but I never, ever worry about being shot.

Boru

And Russia and China have much lower rates of per capita firearm ownership......

But you don't see the problem - right?

---

(October 25, 2020 at 6:26 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(October 24, 2020 at 8:43 am)onlinebiker Wrote: I do prefer accuracy in reporting.
Opinions and attempts at forming them belong on the editorial page.
This is clearly biased journalism.

---

They are also very good tools for self defense.


If you feel safe by being helpless - that's up to you.


Have at it. You can be the designated victim..


Now don't struggle - that's vigilantism..

I do feel perfectly safe. My country is mainly a safe country.
That people do not go around "tooled up" here with the possible exception of some farmers may be part of it.
But also we are not fearful people.
I find the fear that permeates america strange. It seems to be the main emotion over there. 

But then as a french girlfriend I had once said to me when a group of young americans went by our table at a cafe in Paris being loud and well american "America is a nation of children".

Where the fuck do idiots like you get these opinions?

Owning a gun makes a gun owner fearful about as much as owning a life jacket makes a sailor fearful.

It's called being prepared.

Do you wear a seatbelt because you are afraid to drive in a car?

(October 25, 2020 at 7:00 am)onlinebiker Wrote:

(October 25, 2020 at 6:51 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I think for the US, it’s kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you start by making gun ownership a right, it becomes easy to own a gun (or guns). Over time, the rate of gun ownership skyrockets, which creates fear. Being afraid makes you want to have a gun, which is easy to do because it’s a right. And so on.

New Zealand has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world, but I never, ever worry about being shot.

Boru

And Russia and China have much lower rates of per capita firearm ownership......

But you don't see the problem - right?

---

No, I really don’t. Could you explain it to me, please?

Boru