Quote:Oh pulease...

Don't give me the "if it saves one life crap"....

You are banging on about something that is STATISTICALLY unimportant - about 1100 police shootings a year - and the MAJORITY - the vast majority is when someone is threatening cop with a weapon.


What you want is dead cops. Because that's what we would see if cops are disarmed.

Unimportant according to you. Boru seems to think it's very important, and I don't disagree, And ridicule isn't an argument.

(November 11, 2020 at 9:05 am)SUNGULA Wrote:

Quote:Oh pulease...

Don't give me the "if it saves one life crap"....

You are banging on about something that is STATISTICALLY unimportant - about 1100 police shootings a year - and the MAJORITY - the vast majority is when someone is threatening cop with a weapon.


What you want is dead cops. Because that's what we would see if cops are disarmed.

Unimportant according to you. Boru seems to think it's very important, and I don't disagree, And ridicule isn't an argument.

It must be unimportant to you if you haven't spent the effort to inform yourself of the facts. But that's common on the internet.

Actually, I have and i imagine so has Boru. Which i imagine is why we both consider it important And assuming because other people don't agree with you they must be uninformed another thing that's common on the internet 

Haven't really followed the thread, other than skimming the OP.

On a Joe Rogan podcast, with a former SEAL dude, who knew his stuff as an instructor, simply laid the case the proper amount of training (10% - 20% depending on locale) as part and parcel of of the mandatory work time, even after police academy, if I remember correctly. Joe said something Along the lines of needing that more cops for that time in the mandatory training supplanting those in "maintainance" training, but this really buff dude knew his shit, the police force would become MORE competent, become cheaper to maintain, and ultimately need LESS cops, because instead of a bunch incompetent scared gun nuts with an axe to grind, you'd have a very professional & community centered police officers in the field.

I'll try and see if I can the podcast again.


EDIT: found it, he's a looker too:

https://youtu.be/bL5RzI5LyVc

(November 11, 2020 at 9:18 am)SUNGULA Wrote: Actually, I have and i imagine so has Boru. Which i imagine is why we both consider it important And assuming because other people don't agree with you they must be uninformed another thing that's common on the internet 

LOL, demonstrated ignorance is the best kind.

Except no such thing was demonstrated only asserted by you  

(November 11, 2020 at 9:57 am)SUNGULA Wrote: Except no such thing was demonstrated only asserted by you  

That was a solid 3rd grade school yard there.

If cops don't get enough training to be trusted with a firearm and there is some number...though no official source or mandate to even track this number.. of deaths attributable to cops killing john q, then we have a solvable problem with our government. There may be other issues, problems in society at large - but the state isn't explicitly in control of those things nor do we want them to be. This may produce a fucked up situation - but them's the breaks if we insist on the absurd. Things like unarmed cops in a hellscape full of gun users.

That may suggest which part the absurd end of the notion is. Perhaps it's the hellscape rather than the suggestion that poorly trained agents of the state should not be equipped with the means and empowered with the legal authority to carry out summary executions?

Now, in mere reality, being a cop isn't a dangerous job and the greater mass of guns are inert objects with respect to crime of any kind - as we hear ad infinitum whenever guns and crime comes up. Cops with guns are no more and may be less safe in the majority of situations than without. Even when they manage not to shoot us, they still manage to shoot themselves, and there's no explanation as to why every officer needs to be armed in the first place.

It all seems silly. OFC we shouldn't be teaching officers to maim. We should be teaching them not to shoot people at all. Fucking duh.

Let's defund the police so the cops won't get ANY training. Much better plan!

Yes, let's. Let's give no training to cops who no longer exist, who used to have no training when they did. The absurd end presents itself again.

If you currently have three cops - fire two, train the remaining third with one freed salary...you'll end up with one better trained (and still heavily armed) officer and a 33% reduction in funding. This is america, I'm not going to humor any shit about how the cops just can't stop killing us unless we give them more money. They can and they will.