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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 14, 2020 at 12:00 am
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Seperation of church and state -was- primairly championed by christians through a complete accident of history. There were alot of you around. Then again..that wasn't entirely accidental, now was it?...
Tides turned since in more ways than one. There are fewer of you, and you're back to flirting with dominionism.
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 14, 2020 at 12:46 am
(November 14, 2020 at 12:00 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Seperation of church and state -was- primairly championed by christians through a complete accident of history. There were alot of you around. Then again..that wasn't entirely accidental, now was it?...
Tides turned since in more ways than one. There are fewer of you, and you're back to flirting with dominionism.
Separation of church and state back near the founding of the country had to do with reduction of religious persecution by the various sects. And here we are all those years hence, watching the religious doing it again. FFS, will it ever end? I already know the answer to that- it never will end.
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 14, 2020 at 12:55 am
(November 14, 2020 at 12:46 am)Fireball Wrote: And here we are all those years hence, watching the religious doing it again.
What are some examples?
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 14, 2020 at 2:00 am
(November 14, 2020 at 12:46 am)Fireball Wrote: Separation of church and state back near the founding of the country had to do with reduction of religious persecution by the various sects. And here we are all those years hence, watching the religious doing it again. FFS, will it ever end? I already know the answer to that- it never will end.
It didn't actually start then in any case. It's a long tradition - and it must extend further back than the written word. It's ludicrous to believe that we only recently figured out that we didn't particularly enjoy other peoples religious bullshit being forced on us, or that it took christians to figure it out.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 14, 2020 at 2:05 am
(November 13, 2020 at 11:58 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (November 13, 2020 at 11:31 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: The first and most desperate victims of christianity have always been christians.
Then you understand why the separation of church and state has been primarily championed by Christians.
Aren't you destined to Hell for lying, John? When are you gonna find and talk with an actual historian? ... or I might be just talking about my ass, who knows?
(November 13, 2020 at 11:58 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: Underlying the problems of Christianity are individuals with the exact issues and tendencies that the religion points out. Human nature does not go away by simply exchanging the group flags that they fly.
Gee whiz, you think? So now you're gonna drag in human biology into this fucking mess of a back-and-forth? I really hope that you're gonna play this deck of cards, and see where that leads ya, ya oaf.
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 14, 2020 at 2:12 am
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That's the credibility laundromat at play - what his religion has done to him. It would be amazing if the belief set had survived 2k years without ever uttering a single true phrase. We find alot of truth about human nature in magic book, the authors really liked the work of pagan stoics and were...in fact...human.
By pointing to whatever true (and truly stolen, lol) things that their faith has uttered, they engender belief and credence in the seething mass of ridiculous and evil shit they also claim - the shit that's theologically and politically important to them. It's a fairly standard way to condition someone. Inventing reality whole cloth is too much of a lift.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 14, 2020 at 2:16 am
It's all the fuckery, I speculate, they inherited from mysticism. Now, that, is me talking about my ass - because I have no way of knowing, because it's way out of my league and field. Maybe I should go find someone that just might educate me ...
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 14, 2020 at 2:19 am
(November 14, 2020 at 2:05 am)Sal Wrote: When are you gonna find and talk with an actual historian?
Give me the contact info of the historian you talked to and I'll gladly reach out. Work email is preferred.
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 14, 2020 at 2:24 am
IDK. The abrahamic religion as we know it began it's life as an establishment myth after the failure of it's own petty state, and then schismed into christianity as a function of a roman mob produced for and engaged in a culture war to replace an imperial lineage.
In an important sense, the abrahamic religion was explicitly produced to make the kinds of assholes that worry us in politics today - whereas mystics think that they might touch the divine through contemplation and self surrender.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 14, 2020 at 2:25 am
(November 14, 2020 at 2:19 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (November 14, 2020 at 2:05 am)Sal Wrote: When are you gonna find and talk with an actual historian?
Give me the contact info of the historian you talked to and I'll gladly reach out. Work email is preferred.
Do you also get your mom to do your homework for ya?
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