Nope.

(November 13, 2020 at 11:17 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(November 13, 2020 at 9:53 am)WinterHold Wrote: I bold the part that "really makes you or any other person in the west from killing": the law's grip is strong and it can reach the person who commit crime.

Unlike the Middle East, where law is very very corrupt, and under total control of totalitarian dictators.
It's not civility either. Let a government falls in the west; and you shall see chaos.

Actually, we're seeing a part of that chaos in America under Trump.

You give humans too much credit.

Uggggg....

Nobody is claiming our system is perfect, and especially right now we have had 5 years of a fucking asshole trying to destroy our system. Nothing is a given long term, and?

But the difference in the west is we have a longer history of pluralism and common law. 

I give humans too much credit? But how selective you are because Muslims are humans too? Is it that you only want Muslims to get credit? And if everyone submits to Allah, then everything will be ok?

Nope, that is not how reality works. 

Ultimately if humans end up killing ourselves off, it will not be because of a sky hero by any name, but our species inability to recognize that the world's resources are not infinite, and focusing on ideology, and religion, and politics won't change the fact we are the same species. 

Right now the fossil fuel industry is fucking up where you live, fucking up China, fucking up Australia, fucking up South America, fucking up Africa, fucking up America, and every nation in the world. 

So no, I don't give humans too much credit, but I do hope we are smart enough to at least try to save ourselves and put the bullshit aside.

The "Deep American State" represented in Biden, Obama,... is also not that innocent; Brian. But it is the lesser of the two evils.

Don't forget that the Deep State is the wing behind supporting Saudi Arabia in the past, and it is the wing that supported coups and bigot regimes around the globe; it is also the wing that probably launched Operation Cyclone on the USSR:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

Don't try to convince me that Trump is the problem of America; rather he is a mutation -and a very very ugly mutation- of Capitalism; he is the freak that want to withdraw from the mess the Deep State started in the past. But he is not just withdrawing American troops; but giving local dictators a free ticket to do what they want in the American empire.

I support the Deep State in this battle because Trump is a representation of a wing that I believe would bring apocalypse to the world; and not normal apocalypse; but a very very very slow one full of torture.

Trump is a mutation that belongs in the nearest prison for life, though you know what his likes deserve in my religion so I won't say it so I don't get banned. Eye for an eye; and that fucker took so many eyes out, Kashoggi is the most famous one.

I hope Biden realizes this, and deals with Trump as an eminent danger: a mutation. A cancer.

Winter, STFU.

(November 10, 2020 at 1:06 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(November 10, 2020 at 1:02 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: I don't do videos much, does Zakir Naik condemn the beheading of a teacher for showing the cartoon after excusing anyone who didn't want to see it?

Yes, he condemned the crime and told Muslims that "our enemies want Muslims to do such crimes" in order to justify their oppression.

What level of deranged switcharoo did you pull off to get that preposterous and ironic idea?

I didn't want to waste my time watching that vid, and now I have an additional reason not to.

There is no deep state, you support trump when you parrot his rhetoric.

(November 13, 2020 at 11:40 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: There is no deep state, you support trump when you parrot his rhetoric.

BTW; acting a fool has limits..Obviously you can't see them.
Just as a simple explanation for anybody reading this:

America has a political system that is composed of two wings:
1-The oligarchs (most are Republicans)
2-The Deep State (AKA The Military Industrial Complex; most are Democrats).

(November 14, 2020 at 1:59 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(November 13, 2020 at 11:40 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: There is no deep state, you support trump when you parrot his rhetoric.

BTW; acting a fool has limits..Obviously you can't see them.
Just as a simple explanation for anybody reading this:

America has a political system that is composed of two wings:
1-The oligarchs (most are Republicans)
2-The Deep State (AKA The Military Industrial Complex; most are Democrats).

Wow.

Boru

At work.

Geez. T'would be interesting to read WinterHold's take on English politics.

"England only has two parties. The Monarchists who are all lizard people. Then the Torries. Who are all mole people."

Or some such twaddle.

(November 14, 2020 at 2:02 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(November 14, 2020 at 1:59 pm)WinterHold Wrote: BTW; acting a fool has limits..Obviously you can't see them.
Just as a simple explanation for anybody reading this:

America has a political system that is composed of two wings:
1-The oligarchs (most are Republicans)
2-The Deep State (AKA The Military Industrial Complex; most are Democrats).

Wow.

Boru

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state...ates#Polls

Quote:According to a poll of Americans in April 2017, about half (48%) thought there was a "deep state", defined as "military, intelligence and government officials who try to secretly manipulate government", while about a third (35%) of all participants thought it was a conspiracy theory and the remainder (17%) had no opinion. Of those who believe a "deep state" exists, more than half (58%) said it was a major problem, a net of 28% of those surveyed.[54][55]

The Deep State does exist, as it does exist in any system in this world: any system would have "elites" that will try to shift it and change it to act in their favor.

Even this forum has a Deep State, facing an Oligarchy of members who donated !
It's very natural, what is not natural is claiming that it doesn't exist.

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(November 14, 2020 at 3:02 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

Geez. T'would be interesting to read WinterHold's take on English politics.

 "England only has two parties.  The Monarchists who are all lizard people. Then the Torries. Who are all mole people."

 Or some such twaddle.

 

IDK about Britain TBH, but I think the Oligarchy there has full control.

(November 14, 2020 at 3:20 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(November 14, 2020 at 2:02 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Wow.

Boru

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state...ates#Polls

Quote:According to a poll of Americans in April 2017, about half (48%) thought there was a "deep state", defined as "military, intelligence and government officials who try to secretly manipulate government", while about a third (35%) of all participants thought it was a conspiracy theory and the remainder (17%) had no opinion. Of those who believe a "deep state" exists, more than half (58%) said it was a major problem, a net of 28% of those surveyed.[54][55]

The Deep State does exist, as it does exist in any system in this world: any system would have "elites" that will try to shift it and change it to act in their favor.

Even this forum has a Deep State, facing an Oligarchy of members who donated !
It's very natural, what is not natural is claiming that it doesn't exist.

Again - wow. I never cease to be amazed at how much wrong information you can shoehorn into a short post. 

You do understand that a lot of people believing in something doesn’t make that thing true, right? Truth is not a democratic proposition. If it were, then astrology, Father Christmas, Allah, Bigfoot, alien abductions and lots of other silly notions would be ‘true’. It isn’t, so they aren’t.

Boru