I'm betting that it's more than just your english.

Hey, I've been wrong before, though. Maybe you haven't abandoned your own conversation about your own description of this god you're trying to tell us about. Can it be whatever created everything, or does it have to be a whoever? There's still some lack of clarity over what the w in WCE stands for.

(November 18, 2020 at 6:22 pm)Sound Of Reason Wrote:

(November 16, 2020 at 2:11 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It was a ripcord.  It didn't have anything to do with the convo, just some video to post and bolt with.

That's your opinion! The issue is perception. You lack perception. Your perception is bound to materials, that's probably why you can't understand, and that's why I put that video. Unless if my English is bad.

Can you explain what it was that made you convert to islam?

(November 16, 2020 at 9:57 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: atheism is rational and skeptically unassailable.

I don't find anything wrong with being an atheist. I think if there is a god, a lot of those who pretend to follow him and keep annoying us every time with the word "hell" are the ones who are going to end up in it. Because they pretend to have seen the truth, however, they do against the teachings, at least an atheist didn't see it(if he's honest).

I see your teachings. I don't have to believe in gods to know that they exist, and I think that they're garbage. A hot unmitigated dumpster fire of evil.

The faithful are mistaken if they believe that they could just prove that their god exists and the rest would fall into place. Lets say, for the sake of exploration Reason...that some pagan blood god came down into your living room. You've been wrong about everything.

Are you now a member of it's cult? Are you..suddenly, a pagan bloodgodist? Was the problem all along that you didn't believe that the pagan bloodgod existed, or that you didn't know it had teachings..and not the fact that it's a bloodgod?

(November 18, 2020 at 7:16 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(November 18, 2020 at 6:22 pm)Sound Of Reason Wrote: That's your opinion! The issue is perception. You lack perception. Your perception is bound to materials, that's probably why you can't understand, and that's why I put that video. Unless if my English is bad.

Can you explain what it was that made you convert to islam?

Oh, You guessed it right! Actually, I'm born Muslim. I didn't convert.
I didn't have the conviction at first, and I was sometimes praying and sometimes not. I didn't understand anything when I was listening to other people, so I won't do the same mistake and the only thing that I will say is if you want to know about Islam read Quran (book if Muslims).

I was just trying to define the word god before, I wasn't trying to preach.

Plenty of people are very interested and very appreciative of just such a definition. So, whatever,....or does it need to be a whoever?

It needs to be a whoever, that is a requirement of your beliefs, it's okay to say that you believe it and require it - you're thanking an entity, not a toaster. We all know that, you know, and that makes it pointless to use whatever.

(November 18, 2020 at 6:40 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Can it be whatever created everything, or does it have to be a whoever?

I have answered this question, and it only proves that you didn't understand because you have the wrong perception.

It doesn't matter if WCE is a who or a what, and it doesn't mean anything. they are just interrogation pronouns. They're only useful to make you understand. They're not to be taken literally. People made those pronouns to distinguish the nature of beings. We call WCE a being because if we don't call him something, we will not talk, but in fact, we don't know if he's a being or not. Basically, his effects are the beings in this world.

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(November 18, 2020 at 8:02 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Plenty of people are very interested and very appreciative of just such a definition.  So, whatever,....or does it need to be a whoever?

It needs to be a whoever, that is a requirement of your beliefs, it's okay to say that you believe it and require it - you're thanking an entity, not a toaster. We all know that, you know, and that makes it pointless to use whatever.

I understand perfectly what you're saying, but I think you don't understand what I'm saying. It's either my English or your perception.

(November 18, 2020 at 8:06 pm)Sound Of Reason Wrote: I have answered this question, and it only proves that you didn't understand because you have the wrong perception.

It doesn't matter if WCE is a who or a what, and it doesn't mean anything. they are just interrogation pronouns. They're only useful to make you understand. They're not to be taken literally. People made those pronouns to distinguish the nature of beings. We call WCE a being because if we don't call him something, we will not talk, but in fact, we don't know if he's a being or not. Basically, his effects are the beings in this world.

Its pretty simple, and it does matter.  Either..when you're talking about a god...you're talking about whatever created everything, or the category is limited to whoevers...who created everything.

If we found whatever created everything, tomorrow, and it wasn't your god or any god, in fact it wasn't a who at all, but a what, what then?

Quote:I understand perfectly what you're saying, but I think you don't understand what I'm saying. It's either my English or your perception.

It's not just your english. You're being cagey for absolutely no reason. I know...and you know..... that when you talk about god..you're talking about an entity. You've said as much..here, in this thread. Not whatever, specifically limited to whoever. You're being dishonest, and whether we choose to believe that you are being dishonest with yourself or dishonest with us, that's what doesn't matter. We have, from the very beginning, been lead down a disingenuous path.

You are not, emphatically not, talking about any whatever whatsoever, when you talk about a god. No atheist...anywhere.....ever...has any problem with some whatever as the cause of anything or even all that we see. Atheists aren't people who don't believe in causes, we're people who don't believe in gods.

(November 18, 2020 at 7:44 pm)Sound Of Reason Wrote:

(November 18, 2020 at 7:16 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Can you explain what it was that made you convert to islam?

Oh, You guessed it right! Actually, I'm born Muslim. I didn't convert.
I didn't have the conviction at first, and I was sometimes praying and sometimes not. I didn't understand anything when I was listening to other people, so I won't do the same mistake and the only thing that I will say is if you want to know about Islam read Quran (book if Muslims).

I was just trying to define the word god before, I wasn't trying to preach.

I have read it. It is more absurd and morally repugnant than the bible.

(November 18, 2020 at 5:37 pm)Sound Of Reason Wrote:

(November 16, 2020 at 9:57 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: The natural histories of religions are well-documented. The behavioral causes of religions are well-known. There is no evidence that gods and religions are the products of anything other than human ingenuity and imagination. Ergo, atheism is rational and skeptically unassailable.

(November 16, 2020 at 9:57 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: The Christian God is defined by mainstream Christianity as being all-knowing, all-loving, all-powerful, and all just. Yet even a cursory reading of the bible reveals a God who is cruel, unjust, tyrannical, unloving and eternally vengeful. Ergo, the Christian God does not exist by reason of self-contradiction.

There is a self-contradiction here! Why are you saying that religion is a product of humans, and at the same time, you're blaming God for human actions?

You're using it as an argument only when it serves what you want to believe, and that is exactly the definition of bias. But it's ok, you probably didn't intend to.

Show us where I have blamed God for human actions in the above quotes.