Don't know how I missed this earlier, but I'm now seeing videos of flash mobs roaming around stores without masks shouting "Freedom" like they are Mel Gibson in Braveheart and "we're not gonna take it anymore." I don't get it, what freedom are they whining about? What aren't they going to take? You're being asked to wear a mask while in public, not live behind bars. Americans have completely lost any comprehension of what the word "freedom" means.

(January 13, 2021 at 7:10 pm)Spongebob Wrote: Don't know how I missed this earlier, but I'm now seeing videos of flash mobs roaming around stores without masks shouting "Freedom" like they are Mel Gibson in Braveheart and "we're not gonna take it anymore."  I don't get it, what freedom are they whining about?  What aren't they going to take?  You're being asked to wear a mask while in public, not live behind bars.  Americans have completely lost any comprehension of what the word "freedom" means.

These nutters want the perks of freedom without the responsibilities, one of which is sucking it up and moving on when your guy loses.

Boru

(January 13, 2021 at 8:35 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: These nutters want the perks of freedom without the responsibilities, one of which is sucking it up and moving on when your guy loses.

Boru

Another Conservative value was, I thought, a sacred respect for life.  They foam at the mouth at the very mention of abortion, but when asked to just wear a mask in the likelihood they might prevent spreading a deadly disease, they suddenly behave as if they were being locked up.

I see that some of the rioters were given tours of the capitol in days prior to the attack, and it sounds like they were given by republican congressmen.

"...lawmakers say that they witnessed an “an extremely high number of outside groups in the complex, on Jan. 5, which is unusual given that public tours of the Capitol ended in March 2020 due to the coronavirus pandemic." They also write that some of the visitors encountered by lawmakers “appeared to be associated” with the "Stop the Steal" rally that was held at the White House the next day, when Congress was certifying President-elect Joe Biden's victory in the Electoral College."

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/53408...day-before

can you not see what facebook, apple, twitter google has does removes our first amendment rights? can you have freedom without the first amendment? can you not look at the 190 seconds it took to impeach the president in the house without one scrap of evidence being examined as an affront to the people who duly elected president Trump? how can freedom exist if a sitting president is removed without any evidence that supports the charges brought against him? where is due process of the law? where is his fair trial? when do the people who voted for him be given a chance to see a legitimate attempt to break the law?

A sitting president has been impeached twice on the evidence presented, and remains in office at present in spite of it. He has been afforded more due process than any other president in history with respect to impeachment - it's truly historic. Half of all due process regarding impeachment in all of united states history has been afforded to just one man!

Meanwhile, I notice that you are freely speaking your mind on this forum, and the president is freely speaking his mind at the capitol and on tv, and you are very freely and very unironically worrying that you will not be able to very freely continue to speak your mind, as the president continues to speak his mind?

Is that correct?

You believe that if you are not allowed to vomit graffiti all over someone else's walls, then your rights are being abrogated. Do I have that right?

(January 14, 2021 at 3:48 pm)Drich Wrote: can you not see what facebook, apple, twitter google has does removes our first amendment rights? can you have freedom without the first amendment? can you not look at the 190 seconds it took to impeach the president in the house without one scrap of evidence being examined as an affront to the people who duly elected president Trump? how can freedom exist if a sitting president is removed without any evidence that supports the charges brought against him? where is due process of the law? where is his fair trial? when do the people who voted for him be given a chance to see a legitimate attempt to break the law?

Freedom of speech has limitations.   No one has the "right" to use Facebook, Twitter, and the like.  

You can say whatever you want...you can't force people to listen to you.

(January 14, 2021 at 3:48 pm)Drich Wrote: can you not see what facebook, apple, twitter google has does removes our first amendment rights? can you have freedom without the first amendment? can you not look at the 190 seconds it took to impeach the president in the house without one scrap of evidence being examined as an affront to the people who duly elected president Trump? how can freedom exist if a sitting president is removed without any evidence that supports the charges brought against him? where is due process of the law? where is his fair trial? when do the people who voted for him be given a chance to see a legitimate attempt to break the law?

Wow, are you really this misinformed?

#1.  Facebook, twitter, google...etc. are all businesses, not government bodies.  Any business can dictate the rules by which you may use their products or services.  Do you need evidence of this?  Consider recordings of music and/or movies.  It is illegal to duplicate any music or movie for the purpose of resale unless the producer allows it.  Would you claim Disney is robbing you of your rights if they sue you for copying Disney DVD's and selling them online?  You would lose.  What you are confusing yourself about is the government's limitation to squelch your right to free speech.  It wasn't the government that cut Trump off, it was the companies.

#2.  You need evidence of Trump inciting the mob to violence?  Did you watch any of the videos recorded that day of his speech?  Have you not seen any of his online rants about a stolen election, etc.?  You would have to be blind to not see that this was obvious incitement.  And even that is irrelevant.  Impeachment is whatever the House says Impeachment is.  The Senate will "try" Trump for these crimes using evidence and legal arguments and decided if Impeachment is withheld.  And he's gone in 6 days anyway, why does it matter?

#3.  Whether you voted for him or not has nothing to do with it.

He's had all of this explained to him many times. He's not confused about these things, he knows he's wrong - but believes that he should be right.

(January 14, 2021 at 3:48 pm)Drich Wrote: can you not see what facebook, apple, twitter google has does removes our first amendment rights? can you have freedom without the first amendment? can you not look at the 190 seconds it took to impeach the president in the house without one scrap of evidence being examined as an affront to the people who duly elected president Trump? how can freedom exist if a sitting president is removed without any evidence that supports the charges brought against him? where is due process of the law? where is his fair trial? when do the people who voted for him be given a chance to see a legitimate attempt to break the law?

Did congress make a law forcing facebook et al to remove hateful content?  No, so no first amendment violation is there.  Did private companies decide hateful liars are bad for business?  Yes, and so did the majority of voters.

The evidence against Trump exists in his own words and actions.  You are lying to yourself about Trump the same way you do about religion.