(March 23, 2021 at 5:46 am)arewethereyet Wrote: The man has been in office for TWO months.

Fuxake...give him some time...he has a shitshow on his hands.

(March 23, 2021 at 5:53 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

Now, now. Every one knows that incumbent President or Prime minister should be able to everything at once straight away. That's why they were voted in, surely?

(March 23, 2021 at 5:56 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I think Biden has done all that can reasonably be expected regarding the Khashoggi murder. As the article you linked points out, he's sanctioned more than 70 Saudi officials and cancelled an arms sale. While it's perfectly true that MBS wasn't personally hit with sanctions, the US always knew that they was never going to happen, and would have several bad outcomes if it did.

Reviewing what Biden said, no - I don't think he lied. I think he overpromised, and he certainly gave the impression during the debate that MLB himself would be punished.

Boru

(March 23, 2021 at 12:37 pm)Aegon Wrote:

(March 23, 2021 at 5:53 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Now, now. Every one knows that incumbent President or Prime minister should be able to everything at once straight away. That's why they were voted in, surely?

This isn't a "he just got in office, give him some time" situation. Democrats and Republicans do not differ much in this area. I expect Biden to continue supplying authoritarian regimes with the weapons required to murder innocents, and of course assist in murdering civilians with our own drone program. Just look at Obama's record if you want a sneak peek.

(March 23, 2021 at 6:46 am)Belacqua Wrote:

(March 23, 2021 at 5:36 am)WinterHold Wrote: Personally, I think Biden lied and the American institution of politics is truly bankrupted, criminal and nothing but another Rome collapsing.

Yeah, I think at this point you can barely even call it lying. 

The disconnect between what they say to get elected and what they do is pretty much complete. 

There was a case a few years ago where somebody sued the Coca Cola company over false advertising of a product called Vitamin Water. It was marketed as a healthy sports drink, but in fact it was just sugar water. Coca Cola's lawyers argued in court that no reasonable person would ever believe what Coca Cola's ads say, and they won the case. 

Today I read that Trump's ex-lawyer Sidney Powell is making the same defense, concerning the lies she told about the voting machines being rigged. "Everyone should just expect what I say to be false," is something that powerful people argue now.

(March 23, 2021 at 10:56 am)Ranjr Wrote: Explain again how your problem is my problem.  I'm not asking you fix anything on this side of the world.

(March 23, 2021 at 12:15 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Winterhold, the US imprisons and basically tortures journalists and whistleblowers, and you thought they actually care about what Saudi Arabia does? They didn't even punish them for 9/11, so why would they punish them now outside of a slap on the wrist? Any punishment is simply for optics.

(March 23, 2021 at 12:37 pm)Aegon Wrote:

(March 23, 2021 at 5:46 am)arewethereyet Wrote: The man has been in office for TWO months.

Fuxake...give him some time...he has a shitshow on his hands.

(March 23, 2021 at 5:53 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

 Now, now. Every one knows that incumbent President or Prime minister should be able to everything at once straight away.  That's why they were voted in,  surely?

 

This isn't a "he just got in office, give him some time" situation. Democrats and Republicans do not differ much in this area. I expect Biden to continue supplying authoritarian regimes with the weapons required to murder innocents, and of course assist in murdering civilians with our own drone program. Just look at Obama's record if you want a sneak peek.

(March 23, 2021 at 12:53 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(March 23, 2021 at 5:56 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I think Biden has done all that can reasonably be expected regarding the Khashoggi murder. As the article you linked points out, he's sanctioned more than 70 Saudi officials and cancelled an arms sale. While it's perfectly true that MBS wasn't personally hit with sanctions, the US always knew that they was never going to happen, and would have several bad outcomes if it did.

Reviewing what Biden said, no - I don't think he lied. I think he overpromised, and he certainly gave the impression during the debate that MLB himself would be punished.

Boru

Trump also sanctioned some Saudies. But isn't that the same routine for years? I mean a Saudi official does some with the help of the U.S; and only gets a "sanction" or two.

(March 23, 2021 at 12:53 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(March 23, 2021 at 5:56 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I think Biden has done all that can reasonably be expected regarding the Khashoggi murder. As the article you linked points out, he's sanctioned more than 70 Saudi officials and cancelled an arms sale. While it's perfectly true that MBS wasn't personally hit with sanctions, the US always knew that they was never going to happen, and would have several bad outcomes if it did.

Reviewing what Biden said, no - I don't think he lied. I think he overpromised, and he certainly gave the impression during the debate that MLB himself would be punished.

Boru

Trump also sanctioned some Saudies. But isn't that the same routine for years? I mean a Saudi official does some with the help of the U.S; and only gets a "sanction" or two.