Defense is just now crossing another witness, and asked basically if tactics are "fluid". In an attempt to claim that Chauvin was justified. 

"Fluid" does not mean no rules, it merely means that the officer has to constantly re assess when and when not to do something.

And, frankly. At this point, I suspect that some people (at least on the right) actually want the cops to work that way:



Even if Aaron Danielson’s killing was wholly unjustified, even if the political affiliations of the killer and victim were reversed, hell, even if Michael Reinohl was a serial killer with dozens of bodies in his basement, I cannot, in good conscience, condone what appears (by the consensus of eyewitnesses) to have happened to him. But, evidently, the Trump administration did.

13mins in, golden.

It's the state, the united states, and they will fucking kill you.

(April 6, 2021 at 2:36 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

(April 5, 2021 at 10:17 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: -and that's why the guy who stood on his neck for nine minutes isn't guilty of murder.


Do you practice this to hear yourself before you type it?

Nope, and I literally just complimented the prosecution's case yesterday by saying that Zimmerman's testimony was pretty damning.

I don't know why you see the need to continue to defend lying under oath. You lie under oath, you lose credibility. This is not hard to understand. Doesn't mean he's not guilty of murder. It just means I, as a juror, take everything he said about MMA techniques and I throw it all out of the window as if I had never heard it. If they want to get an MMA expert to testify, get one that doesn't have such a high investment in the case.

I have NOT seen so far any prosecution witness lying under oath. So his superior officer, and the police chief are all lying? It seems to me their assesments are consistent with the bystanders.

(April 6, 2021 at 7:17 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(April 5, 2021 at 5:37 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Maybe because he's on video threatening to assault the officers? Did we forget about that already?

Who threatened whom? I didn't hear one threat from George or any of the bystanders. I did hear the officer who walked up to George's vehicle threaten him and cuss at George. I've been watching the case and all the videos on Headline News in full while they were covering the trial LIVE in full, in court, UNCUT. Not once did I hear George or any of the bystanders threaten any of the officers.

The MMA guy who said bro a billion times over while the incident was happening. He told the Asian cop I believe not to touch him or he'd slap the shit out of the officers.

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(April 6, 2021 at 11:17 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(April 5, 2021 at 6:18 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: It might have contributed to his death, but then again, maybe the whole “knee on the neck” thing might have been the big catalyst that finally made it happen. Like the autopsies both said. Like I said, being in a choke hold long past the point where you become unconscious is a pretty big variable that wasn’t in the previous arrest.

Blame the victim Irreligious . Nope sorry, it does not matter what George was on, once he was handcuffed and prone face down, and especially after he became unresponsive, it was the duty of Chauvin and the other officers to back off.  THEY DID NOT! 

None of George's behavior indicated that he was resisting out of malice. All of his behaviors and language indicate he was simply scared. But even if he had just been arrested for murder, police are not paid to kill suspects, ESPECIALLY after they are handcuffed. 

I really don't see how anyone can get past the tesimony of his superiors whom have all agreed that what Chauvin did was beyond the scope. 

And why the fuck are you assuming that George knew the bill was fake? And even if it was, and he knew, why does the cost of a pack of ciggarets constitute a death sentance?

Have you ever seen those religios tracts right wing nuts leave at restaurants, that look like a big tip, only to open it up to see that it wasn't real money? I've been fooled by that myself.

Floyd was given the chance to give the cigarettes back, but he chose not to. He was given the chance to go back into the store to clear things up, but he chose not to. That wasn't the only fake bill they had on them. When George refused to give the cigs back, I don't think it's unfair to call that stealing.

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(April 6, 2021 at 1:50 pm)Mermaid Wrote:

LOL you know I support legalization of all drugs, right?

(April 6, 2021 at 5:42 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

(April 6, 2021 at 11:17 am)Brian37 Wrote: And why the fuck are you assuming that George knew the bill was fake? And even if it was, and he knew, why does the cost of a pack of ciggarets constitute a death sentance?

Floyd was given the chance to give the cigarettes back, but he chose not to. He was given the chance to go back into the store to clear things up, but he chose not to. That wasn't the only fake bill they had on them. When George refused to give the cigs back, I don't think it's unfair to call that stealing.

And passing off a counterfeit bill is worthy of death why exactly? And, even if his use of fentanyl contributed to it, bear in mind that he also had a cop pressing down on his neck for 9 1/2 minutes, 3:51 of which were after he lost consciousness and never returned it, which has been stated to be well against the guidelines set forth by the Minneapolis PD.

(April 6, 2021 at 6:06 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(April 6, 2021 at 5:42 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Floyd was given the chance to give the cigarettes back, but he chose not to. He was given the chance to go back into the store to clear things up, but he chose not to. That wasn't the only fake bill they had on them. When George refused to give the cigs back, I don't think it's unfair to call that stealing.

And passing off a counterfeit bill is worthy of death why exactly? And, even if his use of fentanyl contributed to it, bear in mind that he also had a cop pressing down on his neck for 9 1/2 minutes, 3:51 of which were after he lost consciousness and never returned it, which has been stated to be well against the guidelines set forth by the Minneapolis PD.

The counterfeit bill is not relevant really, other than when people say he should have been sent on his way by the cops and given a warning or whatever. Floyd was high out of his mind on fentanyl and whatever else, so letting him drive away like that would have been a big risk to the public. His friends even said he was passing out over and over and they had trouble waking him up. It's shameful that anyone thinks the police should have let him drive away in that condition.

He was brought to the ground because he was resisting arrest for over 10 minutes or however long it was, and he escaped out of the back of the police car after they had already placed him in there. Now, why don't you just say resisting arrest shouldn't get you the death sentence? Be truthful. No offense, but I think you know very well deep down that this propaganda about "killed over a fake bill" which has been fed to you by the tv and twitter machine is stupid. I think you know it's stupid. No, Floyd didn't deserve death. It's sad what happened, and Chauvin was wrong, but Mr. Floyd didn't exactly make himself the ideal or easiest person to be defending. By that I'm not talking about him being a drug user or holding guns to women or whatever. I support the legalization of all drugs. I'm talking about his history of swallowing drugs when the cops show up. I'm talking about his history of drug overdose. I'm talking about his history of when not overdosing, walking or driving around with an overdosing amount of drugs in his system. He lived an extremely risky lifestyle, it seems. Was he murdered? Maybe. Is there some kind of reasonable doubt about exactly what took place in his body as he was down on the ground? Maybe. We don't have X ray vision to see exactly what was happening inside of Floyd's body from second to second. Is second degree murder too high of a level to prove beyond any reasonable doubt? We shall see what the jury thinks.

And they kept the knee on his neck long past the point where he was in any position to resist arrest. Hell, long past the point where he was able to do anything. And even if it was just because he was resisting arrest, this is inexcusable. Even on the off chance his fentanyl dose was enough to kill him on its own, keeping a knee on someone's neck long past the point where they've lost consciousness, after the crowd's pointed out that he's clearly not able to resist arrest (which is also against policy for his police force) is inexcusable.

(April 6, 2021 at 7:11 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: And they kept the knee on his neck long past the point where he was in any position to resist arrest. Hell, long past the point where he was able to do anything. And even if it was just because he was resisting arrest, this is inexcusable. Even on the off chance his fentanyl dose was  enough to kill him on its own, keeping a knee on someone's neck long past the point where they've lost consciousness, after the crowd's pointed out that he's clearly not able to resist arrest (which is also against policy for his police force) is inexcusable.

Of course it was inexcusable. Chauvin tried to plead guilty to 3rd degree murder. Even Casey Anthony got off though, because there were questions about the exact manner of death. I'm not trying to make a one to one comparison. I know one incident had video and the other did not. I'm just saying.