Quote:This sounds to me like the availability heuristic. Go to your local church, even a small one, and see what they're doing. More than likely they're hosting food drives, community services, and some other outreach programs.

With my churches I've personally gone to take food and sanitary packages to the homeless, we've gone to do disaster relief and cleanup after hurricanes, done game nights and singalongs at retirement homes, had bible studies and discussions with groups at low-income housing. Hosted activities for kids in bad neighborhood.

I'm not the most involved person around. I've done these things once or twice when I can go with a group of friends. But there's people that are highly invested that go every week and know the people in the community by name. One of my best friends is from Uganda and he has about six siblings, most of which were adopted. His parents go do missionary work over there, and they adopt an orphan whenever the opportunity presents itself.

These are all just regular people. Doing regular Christian things.

Trying to paint your cult in the nicest light while ignoring all the bad stuff. Just another kind of selection.

(June 5, 2021 at 2:34 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Trying to paint your cult in the nicest light while ignoring all the bad stuff. Just another kind of selection.

I presented my anecdote in response to an overrepresentation of the bad stuff. But if you want a critique of religious behavior read the Bible. It does a better job at calling out the hypocrisy among believers than what I've heard atheists say on this forum.

Here's a verse applicable to what Fake Messiah presents in his documentary:

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are" (Matthew 23:15, NIV).

Quote:I presented my anecdote in response to an overrepresentation of the bad stuff.

Which are worthless 

Quote: But if you want a critique of religious behavior read the Bible. It does a better job at calling out the hypocrisy among believers than what I've heard atheists say on this forum.

Yup and the same read that book do the hypocrisy. Which attests to the Bible's failure as a moral guide. It's easy to say "that's bad" it's the mark of an idealogy if its acolytes actually treat it as bad. The same people who will scream that a gay couple involved in a loving relationship are an abomination are the same who will insist an adulterer was sent by God.

(June 5, 2021 at 2:53 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Which are worthless 

No; it's a great antidote to the availability bias. Counterexamples help normalize overrepresentation.

Quote:No; it's a great antidote to the availability bias. Counterexamples help normalize overrepresentation.

Nope it's worthless antidote and it counters nothing

(June 5, 2021 at 9:20 am)ronedee Wrote: It's sad and interesting how many justifications that can be made for killing what is obviously a baby.

It's a fetus until it's born.

If you want to decrease the number of abortions, what you have to do is support the following things:

• Evidence-based sex education - none of that "abstinence" shit.
  
• Affordable, easily obtainable birth control -  preferably something like long-lasting hormonal injections.
  
• Inexpensive or free daycare, so that a working woman can continue to support her family.
  
• Affordable housing, coupled with a living wage and/or a guaranteed minimum wage.
  

Legislating against abortion just drives them underground and makes them medically unsafe.  You will never completely stop abortion.  Women, especially women who are between a rock and a hard place, will find a way.

Quote:There is no Christian I know that wouldn't take that baby home and love it!

Then why are there so many unadopted children and children in foster care? If what you claim is true, the orphanages should be empty.

Quote:Your god of science, is ironically proving The God more & more!

Heeheeheeheehee! Cool story, Ronadee. Needs more dragons.

(June 5, 2021 at 9:20 am)ronedee Wrote: The question again... that would be before the Supreme court: "Is the fetus a baby, with rights?"

And of course we all know the answer. 

Your god of science, is ironically proving The God more & more!

You sound like a fanatic. If you don't want to learn from science, learn from other Christians who are pro-abortion.

Because this idea of abortion as the most important threat in a broad secular assault on “family values”—and using rhetoric of the “sanctity of life” is lifted directly from the Roman Catholic catechism, and ramblings of Jerry Falwell.

I really mean it when I say you should learn from Christians who consider that if God is in everything, and everyone, then God is as much in the woman making a decision to terminate a pregnancy as in her Bible.

Learn from the doctors who perform abortions because they are frequently Christians and see themselves doing "Jesus work", and being like good Samaritans.

Be like Dr. George Tiller who was murdered in the Church while he was attending mass on Sunday, and don't be like a Christian terrorist who killed him.

Learn from Reverend Howard Moody, of Judson Memorial Church in New York City, who formed the Clergy Consultation Service on Abortion—a kind of Underground Railroad coalition of Jewish and Christian clerics committed to helping women procure safe abortion care. They were motivated, as Moody said, by their “humane concern” for the women who were forced to risk their lives navigating the underworld of illegal abortion on their own.

Ronadee, if SCOTUS did award rights to unborn fetuses, they would have to do it by removing rights from a pregnant woman.

The moment the principle of bodily integrity is violated, it creates a dangerous precedent. Do you really want someone to show up at your door demanding that you donate a kidney to save their life?

(June 6, 2021 at 2:03 am)Astreja Wrote: Do you really want someone to show up at your door demanding that you donate a kidney to save their life?

I'm pretty sure slippery slopes are a logical fallacy.

(June 6, 2021 at 2:08 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:

(June 6, 2021 at 2:03 am)Astreja Wrote: Do you really want someone to show up at your door demanding that you donate a kidney to save their life?

I'm pretty sure slippery slopes are a logical fallacy.

I don't think it's a slippery slope, John; I think it's technically possible.  If you deny someone the right to control their own body, it can be used as a legal precedent.