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RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
June 24, 2021 at 4:02 pm
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You're arguing with the dictionary. The important part is the substance of the issue, not the category we use to understand it. If "you do not believe in god," your belief category (whatever you want to call it) aligns with that of most here. Including me.
So the question is, "How is it reasonable to reject the existence of God?"
A lot of atheists here don't reject the existence of God. They say, "I don't know." And therefore, they do not believe. No need to reject anything. Nonbelief gets the job done pretty well.
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RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
June 24, 2021 at 4:06 pm
I assert only my god exists.
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RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
June 24, 2021 at 4:09 pm
I did not see where anyone argued that 'atheism' means 'without theism' because the word 'theism' was coined first. Which was coined first doesn't bear on the current meaning of the words.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
June 24, 2021 at 4:11 pm
(June 24, 2021 at 3:59 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Yes, believers have been calling atheists atheists since before they did it in english, and alot of other things as well. You're without a god, I'm without a god, every atheist on the board is without a god.
Some of the more amusing applications have been when one group of theists calls another group of theists a bunch of atheists because they believe in the wrong god, as the romans considered the christians. As the greeks before them considered anyone who might criticize their god concepts.
I do not know if I am without a god or not.
I sure as hell do not "believe" that any gods exist...but if one does exist, we are both "with" a god...no matter our beliefs.
I have no beef with anyone who wants to be known as an atheist, but I am not an atheist.
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RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
June 24, 2021 at 4:13 pm
You do know that, actually, what you don't know is whether or not gods exist. You know that you don't believe in gods, and that's what they were claiming about the people they called atheists, and that is, ofc, what the term refers to today.
Would you prefer ham sandwich?
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RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
June 24, 2021 at 4:14 pm
(June 24, 2021 at 4:09 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: I did not see where anyone argued that 'atheism' means 'without theism' because the word 'theism' was coined first. Which was coined first doesn't bear on the current meaning of the words.
Whatever.
The fact is that some dictionaries and encyclopedia define atheism as "denying that any gods exist." Most (perhaps ALL dictionaries) prior to the 1950's had as the first meaning of atheism: The denial that any gods exist. (Or, the denial that God exists.)
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June 24, 2021 at 4:15 pm
Those are hard ham sandwiches. Not all ham sandwiches are hard.
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RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
June 24, 2021 at 4:16 pm
(June 24, 2021 at 4:14 pm)Frank Apisa Wrote: (June 24, 2021 at 4:09 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: I did not see where anyone argued that 'atheism' means 'without theism' because the word 'theism' was coined first. Which was coined first doesn't bear on the current meaning of the words.
Whatever.
The fact is that some dictionaries and encyclopedia define atheism as "denying that any gods exist." Most (perhaps ALL dictionaries) prior to the 1950's had as the first meaning of atheism: The denial that any gods exist. (Or, the denial that God exists.)
And you have a problem with current usage because why?
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RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
June 24, 2021 at 4:17 pm
(June 24, 2021 at 4:16 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: (June 24, 2021 at 4:14 pm)Frank Apisa Wrote: Whatever.
The fact is that some dictionaries and encyclopedia define atheism as "denying that any gods exist." Most (perhaps ALL dictionaries) prior to the 1950's had as the first meaning of atheism: The denial that any gods exist. (Or, the denial that God exists.)
And you have a problem with current usage because why?
Because it is gratuitous...and because I do not believe any gods exist...AND I AM NOT AN ATHEIST.
That's why.
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RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
June 24, 2021 at 4:18 pm
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I'm guessing it's a bit of dissonance at being reminded that he's in the group of people who he's chosen to seek out for the purposes of insulting.
We know, we know, you're a ham sandwich, not some gullible and/or unreasonable and/or ignorant atheist. You're in luck, we're all ham sandwiches here! I'm a little crunchy, but the rest of these guys are soft and decadent, just like you like em.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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