Frank seems to think that he's being Uber-rational with his redefinition games. Let's pop the hood on the logic here.

"I believe that god exists." is either:

1. True
   
2. False
   
3. Indeterminate
   

The Law of the Excluded Middle would appear to preclude option #3, however that law only holds for rationally constructed propositions. And this statement is not rationally constructed. Frank's one-liner does not suffice as a definition for the term "god". Even the dimmest bulbs over at AiG recognize that a proper definition of god requires more theology than a single sentence. Most theologians go on for several books on the ponderous topic. Until a sufficient definition is provided the truth of this statement simply can't be evaluated.

The only fully rational statement that can be made about Frank's statement, and all that flows from it, is that it is "So bad it isn't even wrong." Thank you Wolfgang Pauli. Alternately, "I have no idea what you are talking about and, judging by your babbling, neither do you." Frank's claims to agnosticism are baseless as he is unable to describe what he is agnostic about.

I retract any claim that Frank may be an atheist for the same reason. Nothing meaningful can be said about such an ill-conceived belief. Given the near complete insufficiency of his "definition" I am unable to determine if his "god" might not be something that I ate for breakfast.

(June 27, 2021 at 5:25 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(June 27, 2021 at 5:19 pm)Frank Apisa Wrote: I've got lots more, but I really like that one. Apparently you don't.

Tough.

Taking lessons in class from you is like taking them from Trump. And he has none at all.

Ya know by now that repeating the same things over and over again is considered spamming.

You ought really to be telling that to several others here rather than me.

You want to give me the heave-ho, because I am a threat to your hilarious thoughts that describing yourselves as "atheists" makes you look brave or special.

It makes you all look stupid. Go with "agnostic" and leave it at that. At least there is some honor in acknowledging the obvious...and not attaching guesses about whether gods exist or not...or whether it is more probable that they do or don't.

So since you want to throw me out...grow the spine to do it...rather than fish around for a pretense to justify your bullshit. 

I am NOT spamming this forum nor am I a troll. And in my opinion, I am treating it with a hell of a lot more consideration and respect than you or some of the other moderators and administrators.



How's that one?

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(June 27, 2021 at 5:29 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Frankie’s just a garden-variety troll with nothing else to fill the empty hours of his life with except joining internet forums and harassing them until he gets the ban hammer. Lather, rinse, repeat. One can only fathom the deep, psychological forces at play in such bizarre, repetitive and dishonest behavior.

Oh, bullshit.

You are the one trolling, LFC. And to your credit, you have acknowledged that you are.

But you won't get any warnings or threats of being banned.

You also are the ones being dishonest.

I'm laughing at you assholes...at your pretentiousness and superciliousness. 

At some point, some of you will grow up...and realize what assholes you are being right now.

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(June 27, 2021 at 5:33 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(June 27, 2021 at 5:25 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Ya know by now that repeating the same things over and over again is considered spamming.

Nah. It's a fun chew toy.

Next step will be "Aha, you admit a god may exist" and from there one can write the script.

No "aha" moment. Many of you acknowledge that a god may exist...and I expected that you would. What on Earth makes you think that would be an "aha" moment?

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(June 27, 2021 at 5:37 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(June 27, 2021 at 5:33 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Nah. It's a fun chew toy.

Next step will be "Aha, you admit a god may exist" and from there one can write the script.

Part of the reason he's been here so long it the chew toy aspect.

It's certainly not his wit, charm, or any other actual contributions to the forum.

Gnaw away for now.  We have our quota of trolls here.  We don't need this one.

As I said...when you are ready, grow the balls to make the move. The threats are too cute for words...but I will acknowledge that I love 'em.

Love you, too. It has been fun. Ya, know...just in case you finally get the spine in place to drop the axe.

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(June 27, 2021 at 5:42 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(June 27, 2021 at 5:40 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Awww, Mom. Don't spoil the fun.

If you be good...you can chew on it for a while longer.  Unless he really screws up.

It's the weekend...tomorrow's my birthday...and you asked nicely.  

Wow...happy birthday. Mine is coming up on August 9th. I'll be 85. Are you making it out of your teens this year?

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(June 28, 2021 at 1:08 am)Paleophyte Wrote: Frank seems to think that he's being Uber-rational with his redefinition games. Let's pop the hood on the logic here.

"I believe that god exists." is either:

1. True
   
2. False
   
3. Indeterminate
   

The Law of the Excluded Middle would appear to preclude option #3, however that law only holds for rationally constructed propositions. And this statement is not rationally constructed. Frank's one-liner does not suffice as a definition for the term "god". Even the dimmest bulbs over at AiG recognize that a proper definition of god requires more theology than a single sentence. Most theologians go on for several books on the ponderous topic. Until a sufficient definition is provided the truth of this statement simply can't be evaluated.

The only fully rational statement that can be made about Frank's statement, and all that flows from it, is that it is "So bad it isn't even wrong." Thank you Wolfgang Pauli. Alternately, "I have no idea what you are talking about and, judging by your babbling, neither do you." Frank's claims to agnosticism are baseless as he is unable to describe what he is agnostic about.

I retract any claim that Frank may be an atheist for the same reason. Nothing meaningful can be said about such an ill-conceived belief. Given the near complete insufficiency of his "definition" I am unable to determine if his "god" might not be something that I ate for breakfast.

I did not "give a definition of god", Asshole.

I gave a "what I mean when I use the word 'god'" for the purposes of discussion. But apparently you are not bright enough to understand that.

Too bad.

BTW..."so bad it isn't even wrong" is only used by amateurs. Don't use it. Anyone of quality knows you are faking it.

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Ahhh...great morning here.

Can't play this morning, but may get in a few holes this afternoon.

Great talking with you all. See ya later, unless that hapless administrator finally gets the balls to make good on her many threats.

(June 28, 2021 at 5:48 am)Frank Apisa Wrote: You want to give me the heave-ho, because I am a threat to your hilarious thoughts that describing yourselves as "atheists" makes you look brave or special.

It makes you all look stupid. Go with "agnostic" and leave it at that. At least there is some honor in acknowledging the obvious...and not attaching guesses about whether gods exist or not...or whether it is more probable that they do or don't.

So since you want to throw me out...grow the spine to do it...rather than fish around for a pretense to justify your bullshit. 

So what else are you also agnostic about except gods? Are you also agnostic about Santa Claus? Are you agnostic about Smurfs? What about werewolves, vampires, gnomes, and dragons - are you agnostic about them as well or do you tend to be more atheistic?

(June 28, 2021 at 6:12 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(June 28, 2021 at 5:48 am)Frank Apisa Wrote: You want to give me the heave-ho, because I am a threat to your hilarious thoughts that describing yourselves as "atheists" makes you look brave or special.

It makes you all look stupid. Go with "agnostic" and leave it at that. At least there is some honor in acknowledging the obvious...and not attaching guesses about whether gods exist or not...or whether it is more probable that they do or don't.

So since you want to throw me out...grow the spine to do it...rather than fish around for a pretense to justify your bullshit. 

So what else are you also agnostic about except gods? Are you also agnostic about Santa Claus? Are you agnostic about Smurfs? What about werewolves, vampires, gnomes, and dragons - are you agnostic about them as well or do you tend to be more atheistic?

Atheistic about a smurf???

You think a smurf is a god?

You think werewolves, vampires, gnomes and dragons are gods?

What the fuck???

(June 28, 2021 at 6:40 am)Frank Apisa Wrote:

(June 28, 2021 at 6:12 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: So what else are you also agnostic about except gods? Are you also agnostic about Santa Claus? Are you agnostic about Smurfs? What about werewolves, vampires, gnomes, and dragons - are you agnostic about them as well or do you tend to be more atheistic?

Atheistic about a smurf???

You think a smurf is a god?

You think werewolves, vampires, gnomes and dragons are gods?

What the fuck???

You accept that quetxalcoatl might be real. Are you sure? Or do you merely believe quetxalcoatl might be real? Which is it?

(June 28, 2021 at 6:40 am)Frank Apisa Wrote:

(June 28, 2021 at 6:12 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: So what else are you also agnostic about except gods? Are you also agnostic about Santa Claus? Are you agnostic about Smurfs? What about werewolves, vampires, gnomes, and dragons - are you agnostic about them as well or do you tend to be more atheistic?

Atheistic about a smurf???

You think a smurf is a god?

You think werewolves, vampires, gnomes and dragons are gods?

What the fuck???

Do you have reading disabilities? Because I didn't say they were gods.

Dont.feed.the.troll.

(June 28, 2021 at 7:51 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Dont.feed.the.troll.

But he’s fun and I’m bored. 

Well, he redefined some word, thats his schtick. Not very elaborate if you ask me. That is of course an estimation, representing my opinion, based on a guess, but definitely not a belief. I stopped doing beliefs as well. Feeling so much superior now. You should try it too.

Meh.