(June 29, 2021 at 11:48 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: We do and can choose differently, and so could they have, then- they simply did not.  I think that it’s a mistake to think that things like this just happen or are an inextricable part of human nature.  They don’t and they aren’t.  It’s hard to hurt people.  It takes effort and conditioning and a massive network of funding and provisioning and constant recruiting.

(June 25, 2021 at 11:57 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Another Mass Gravesite Found at Another Catholic-Run Canadian Residential School

This time, we're talking about the remains of 751 people at a former school in Saskatchewan.

We don't know how or why these children died, but the possibilities are disturbing. These Catholic schools were known for abusing children physically, sexually, and emotionally. The technology used to arrive that that number has an error rate "ranging from 10 to 15 percent" and it's not clear if only children were buried there, but the science appears to confirm anecdotes that have been passed down for decades.

Making matters worse, the Catholic institutions that controlled these schools are not fully cooperating with investigations, making it difficult to identify whose bodies may have been buried there. At least 150,000 Indigenous children went to these kinds of schools. There's very little doubt that more gravesites will be discovered soon. The Canadian government is even helping fund that process.

https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2021...al-school/

This is St. Paul’s Cathedral in Saskatoon

(June 29, 2021 at 11:31 am)HappySkeptic Wrote:

(June 28, 2021 at 11:43 am)AkiraTheFighter24 Wrote: Why? Why in the fuck would Canada do this? This is the type of shit that pisses me off to no end and I was already pissed off at the bodies of kids being found and the typical circle jerk of Catholics molesting kids and hiding it. Why is it that society refuses to see Christianity for what it really is? Atleast there seems to be some pushback form society. I'm glad their shit is getting vandalized, but I won't be surpirzed if the Church itself was behind the Church burnings to hide evidence.

Canada was not alone in this.

The schools were a deliberate attempt at cultural genocide -- but of course the term didn't exist back then.

The alternatives they saw were probably either a huge population who would be poor wards of the state, or a huge population that regained their identity and power and became a threat to English power.

As disgusting as this was, can we say that we would've chosen differently if we lived in the late 1800s?  China is making the same calculation today with the Uighur.  It seems to be an evil built into our nature.

Most of the graves were probably kids who died of Cholera or TB.  However, some may have died from abuse -- we will never know.

(June 21, 2021 at 9:17 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Covid defeated the Virgin Mary herself. The blooming religious business in Medjugorje, Bosnia, is tanking for the first time since it started in the 1980s.

Souvenir shops selling Virgin Maries, and Virgin Mary hotels are empty. People are running away from the place that they claimed healed them for a fear of getting sick.

Quote:Usually, tours are organized through individual churches and church groups. “I found tour operators running from as far away as Phoenix, Arizona who were offering package deals including airfare, accommodation, and tours led by Mirjana Soldo, one of the original six visionaries from 1981,” he explains. Not all the tour companies — international and domestic — are strictly religious. 

His most recent images show the devastating effects of the pandemic on the town’s tourism. “When I trekked up to the Apparition and Cross Hills, I only saw a handful of people compared to the hundreds or thousands I saw the previous year,” he recalls. The hotel where he stayed in 2019 was also closed. “I tried to get in touch with the owners but they might have been out of the country themselves. The previous summer they were completely booked up, as were most of the hotels in town — and there really are a lot of them.” But beyond the obvious lack of people, St. Oegger describes a noticeable “loss of energy”.

https://www.calvertjournal.com/features/...ghost-town

(July 2, 2021 at 4:07 pm)Dundee Wrote:

(June 21, 2021 at 9:17 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Covid defeated the Virgin Mary herself. The blooming religious business in Medjugorje, Bosnia, is tanking for the first time since it started in the 1980s.

Souvenir shops selling Virgin Maries, and Virgin Mary hotels are empty. People are running away from the place that they claimed healed them for a fear of getting sick.

What about Lourdes?

Quote:CRANBROOK, British Columbia — A Canadian Indigenous group said Wednesday a search using ground-penetrating radar has found 182 human remains in unmarked graves at a site near a former Catholic Church-run residential school that housed Indigenous children taken from their families.

The latest discovery of graves near Cranbrook, British Columbia follows reports of similar findings at two other such church-run schools, one of more than 600 unmarked graves and another of 215 bodies. Cranbrook is 524 miles (843 kilometers) east of Vancouver.

"Let's call this for what it is," Louie told CBC radio in an interview. "It's a mass murder of Indigenous people."

"The Nazis were held accountable for their war crimes. I see no difference in locating the priests and nuns and the brothers who are responsible for this mass murder to be held accountable for their part in this attempt of genocide of an Indigenous people."

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/01/101210092...group-says

Quote:A recent homily by the head of Canadian Catholic bishops is sparking anger, after he implied that the church is being persecuted amid widespread attention to gravesite discoveries at residential schools.

He said that in his role he is getting “bombarded a lot,” and that in dealing with the media, he’s noticing “a lot of blame, a lot of accusations, a lot of exaggerations, a lot of false ideas.”

“And so I say in my heart,” he said. “You know something? There’s a persecution happening here. There’s a persecution happening here.”

The archbishop’s comments drew ire from Indigenous communities. “It’s very hard for me to articulate how outraged, disappointed, angry I am, to hear anybody in his position, given what’s happened, talk about feeling that the church in any way is being persecuted,” said Maurice Switzer, a citizen of the Mississaugas of Alderville First Nation who serves on the Indigenous Reconciliation Advisory Group of the Ontario Human Rights Commission.

“To me, this just speaks to systemic racism at the highest levels of our society – that anybody, in the wake of what’s being found out, would in any way suggest that they are a victim, given what’s transpired.”

Many in the Catholic community have also been dismayed. George Valin, a retired Ontario Superior Court judge, is one of them.

“Extremely disappointed. Sad. Offended. Embarrassed,” he said, of his reaction to the archbishop’s homily.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/a...ersecuted/

(July 2, 2021 at 8:51 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Another mass grave discovered under another Catholic school in Canada

Quote:"Let's call this for what it is," Louie told CBC radio in an interview. "It's a mass murder of Indigenous people."