It’s the forced listening position.

Poor guys just wanna be heard, as silenced as they are.

Yeah because it's not like right-wing bigots don't have million right-wing platforms they can spew their bile on. Or have millionaires who have the vile opinions being able to spew it on a national platform

Well, in fairness to the stories they tell, they insist that they didn’t get any of these routines from each other. They all organically arrived at the same script... like mushrooms from shit.

You are trying to beat the threat of authoritarianism by being authoritarian yourself. What's up with that?

Antifa are criminals and there's a reason we have assault laws. No one should be able to assault someone for giving their opinion. That is childish thinking, and what exactly are these violent criminals achieving? They are only causing their enemies to grow. They're not actually hurting them. What will they accomplish if they succeed in burning down a courthouse? They will just rebuild the courthouse. These people are just acting out like children throwing a fit. Nothing they are doing is constructive.

Quote:You are trying to beat the threat of authoritarianism by being authoritarian yourself. What's up with that?

Nope were trying to fight authoritarianism by putting sensible failsafe against it. A nutter like you will call that authoritarianism but we don't really care. You would call anything but the most irrational extreme authoritarianism.

Quote:Antifa are criminals and there's a reason we have assault laws. No one should be able to assault someone for giving their opinion. That is childish thinking, and what exactly are these violent criminals achieving? They are only causing their enemies to grow. They're not actually hurting them. What will they accomplish if they succeed in burning down a courthouse? They will just rebuild the courthouse. These people are just acting out like children throwing a fit. Nothing they are doing is constructive.

A bunch of drivel and civility politics virtue signaling.

I think that you can probably read filth for filth without living in some totalitarian dictatorship.

I’m not doing anything to those silly bigots. They simply imagine themselves to be victims as pretext for victimizing others. You clearly believe their cause - but you know we’ll never see eye to eye on that.

(July 3, 2021 at 2:07 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

(July 3, 2021 at 1:58 pm)Helios Wrote: Yup gotta love "freedom" lovers defending people who would march them off to the firing line with a smile on their face if they were in charge. The fact is debate doesn't work on Con men or the Normies they brainwash. Because Con Men are excellent at overriding logic with emotions.

I'll take that risk that I get marched off to the firing line.

So, your logic is that you need to take away people's rights because there's a small chance that some time in the future they may take away your rights. There's a small chance they might take away people's rights in the future, so you need to take away people's rights now? Makes sense.

Yeah, about that "small chance", I live in a country where the far-right have all but entirely taken over one of our two viable political parties, are gutting laws put in place to ensure every citizen above 18 has a right to vote, stacked the Supreme Court with right-wing judges (even going so far as to refuse to allow a vote on a Democratic president's Supreme Court nominees) to enshrine their ideology into law, setting up what basically amounts to concentration camps at the US-Mexico border (and, no, this isn't hyperbole), and, when confronted with an electoral defeat, did this:




Maybe a couple years ago, I would have considered the chances of far-right literal Nazi ideas becoming mainstream to be slim to none. Hell, when Trump gave his speech announcing his Presidential campaign in 2015, I thought "Wow, he managed to announce his candidacy and tank his chances at election in the span within the same speech." And we all know how that turned out. In 2021, this is not a small chance. It is happening.

(July 3, 2021 at 3:56 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(July 3, 2021 at 2:07 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: I'll take that risk that I get marched off to the firing line.

So, your logic is that you need to take away people's rights because there's a small chance that some time in the future they may take away your rights. There's a small chance they might take away people's rights in the future, so you need to take away people's rights now? Makes sense.

Yeah, about that "small chance", I live in a country where the far-right have all but entirely taken over one of our two viable political parties, are gutting laws put in place to ensure every citizen above 18 has a right to vote, stacked the Supreme Court with right-wing judges (even going so far as to refuse to allow a vote on a Democratic president's Supreme Court nominees) to enshrine their ideology into law, setting up what basically amounts to concentration camps at the US-Mexico border (and, no, this isn't hyperbole), and, when confronted with an electoral defeat, did this:




Maybe a couple years ago, I would have considered the chances of far-right literal Nazi ideas becoming mainstream to be slim to none. In 2021, it's happening.

Voter ID laws are unnecessary I agree, but they are hardly Nazism. I've shown my ID to vote here in Canada. They refused a vote on Obama's supreme court nominee because they could by law, so why wouldn't they? He was a lame duck president. The current administration is opening up new concentration camps for children and Obama caged children. Both parties in the US suck big time and both parties are white supremacist. These camps aren't because of some new Nazi or neo-Nazi threat that needs to be shut down with authoritarian tactics. The population of the US has become much less racist on average over time, and that trend is likely to continue on its' own. You don't need authoritarianism to step in and take everyone's rights away. That's not the answer. If Clinton had claimed she won the election, it's likely that more than half of democrats would go along with her and say the same thing. People in general are idiots and they will believe what they are told. Yeah, January 6 was really dumb, but not one shot was fired. It was just a bunch of angry fools getting their anger out. It was zero threat to democracy or the republic like corporate news tried to make out so the government could get the manufactured consent to take away people's rights even further with these new terrorism laws, which target progressive causes just as much as they target the right.

Of course the Republicans suck big time and so did Donald Trump. Of course rich people and presidents don't care about minorities. That's always been the case, but people are far less racist now than was once the case. You are not at the doorsteps of Nazism taking over. It's not happening. Remember when Trump said he wanted people to spend a year in jail for burning the flag? Do you want to see a bunch of people in jail for that? This is why you have free speech, so people are protected from things like that. You should be grateful to have these protections.

We are, but the frozen peach warriors would strongly prefer that we didn’t enjoy them.

You’ve made common cause with the enemies of your own cause. Isn’t that hilarious?

These people who insist that others be made to listen to them anywhere they deign to speak demand that their critics be silenced cancelled deplatformed and deported. That’s on a good day, when they aren’t barking for rolling heads or attacking the state. They feel aggrieved by the presence of history in textbooks, and provide lists of words educators are never to speak.

Are these your people? Is this your cause? They’ve already separated themselves from reality, and are moving on to separating the hated other of his rights...and, if they can manage it, some portion of us sovereign territory from itself.

(July 3, 2021 at 4:27 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: We are, but the frozen peach warriors would strongly prefer that we didn’t enjoy them.

You’ve made common cause with the enemies of your own cause.  Isn’t that hilarious?

These people who insist that others be made to listen to them anywhere they deign to speak demand that their critics be silenced cancelled deplatformed and deported.  That’s on a good day, when they aren’t barking for rolling heads or attacking the state.  They feel aggrieved by the presence of history in textbooks, and provide lists of words educators are never to speak.

Are these your people?  Is this your cause?

Yup Uniting with the Fascists to stop Fascism. It's fucking hilarious. Free speech fanatics are a hoot as they intend to commit ideological suicide and virtue signaling makes them look less silly.