It's going to be interesting seeing how they reestablish and maintain their rule - and their current positioning in the theatre of the mind seems to suggest that they're aware of the difficulties they'll face. They'll be dealing with a populace whose economy was built up (by the heathen foreign invader) over four times larger, with skyrocketing numbers of children in schools, particularly girls in schools.

They either realize and continue those gains - or they resort to brutal oppression. Anyone taking bets. Winter, what do you think? Are the taliban going to say "yeah, lets continue to liberalize and westernize our populace"....or.....?

Why are you guys letting Winter drag you down to his level where he can beat you with experience.

You can't argue with stupid.

(August 18, 2021 at 10:44 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: @WinterHold
We're definitely putting things back..the way we found them.  Dancing boys, routine human rights abuse, corruption, the whole islamist kit and kaboodle.  

If you think we have proxies there to do work for us in our absence, well..that was also true before the invasion.  I guess the fact that the taliban seeks to act like just such a proxy going forward is a change.

I advise you to return to your hole, and fight the Oligarch wing + bankers who ate the flesh of America.
If Biden's party stopped invasions and murdering of innocents in imperialistic wars; this shameful day could've been avoided for the U.S.

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(August 18, 2021 at 11:38 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It's going to be interesting seeing how they reestablish and maintain their rule - and their current positioning in the theatre of the mind seems to suggest that they're aware of the difficulties they'll face.  They'll be dealing with a populace whose economy was built up (by the heathen foreign invader) over four times larger, with skyrocketing numbers of children in schools, particularly girls in schools.

They either realize and continue those gains - or they resort to brutal oppression.  Anyone taking bets.  Winter, what do you think?  Are the taliban going to say "yeah, lets continue to liberalize and westernize our populace"....or.....?

Honestly, human beings have a trait of showing "ego" and believing they are super; and that what scares me from any victory by the weak.
I don't believe in "westernizing"; but I believe every human is free to live like they want with the statement of the Quran itself:

Quote:Sura 41, The Quran:
https://atheistforums.org/newreply.php?t...to=2055317

( 40 )   Indeed, those who inject deviation into Our verses are not concealed from Us. So, is he who is cast into the Fire better or he who comes secure on the Day of Resurrection? Do whatever you will; indeed, He is Seeing of what you do.

Just don't hurt anybody's else freedoms, rights or properties:

Quote:Sura 7, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 33 )   Say, "My Lord has only forbidden immoralities - what is apparent of them and what is concealed - and sin, and oppression without right, and that you associate with Allah that for which He has not sent down authority, and that you say about Allah that which you do not know."

Western politics hurt millions of people; you are not hurt because you're in the west but I am bleeding.
Western economics cause hunger and misery to the weak (Africa; anyone?).
Western imperialism caused Vietnam, then Iraq, and now Afghanistan.

I smell a big, nasty immortality.

(August 18, 2021 at 1:49 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(August 18, 2021 at 10:44 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: @WinterHold
We're definitely putting things back..the way we found them.  Dancing boys, routine human rights abuse, corruption, the whole islamist kit and kaboodle.  

If you think we have proxies there to do work for us in our absence, well..that was also true before the invasion.  I guess the fact that the taliban seeks to act like just such a proxy going forward is a change.

I advise you to return to your hole, and fight the Oligarch wing + bankers who ate the flesh of America.
If Biden's party stopped invasions and murdering of innocents in imperialistic wars; this shameful day could've been avoided for the U.S.

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(August 18, 2021 at 11:38 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It's going to be interesting seeing how they reestablish and maintain their rule - and their current positioning in the theatre of the mind seems to suggest that they're aware of the difficulties they'll face.  They'll be dealing with a populace whose economy was built up (by the heathen foreign invader) over four times larger, with skyrocketing numbers of children in schools, particularly girls in schools.

They either realize and continue those gains - or they resort to brutal oppression.  Anyone taking bets.  Winter, what do you think?  Are the taliban going to say "yeah, lets continue to liberalize and westernize our populace"....or.....?

Honestly, human beings have a trait of showing "ego" and believing they are super; and that what scares me from any victory by the weak.
I don't believe in "westernizing"; but I believe every human is free to live like they want with the statement of the Quran itself:

Quote:Sura 41, The Quran:
https://atheistforums.org/newreply.php?t...to=2055317

( 40 )   Indeed, those who inject deviation into Our verses are not concealed from Us. So, is he who is cast into the Fire better or he who comes secure on the Day of Resurrection? Do whatever you will; indeed, He is Seeing of what you do.

Just don't hurt anybody's else freedoms, rights or properties:

Quote:Sura 7, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 33 )   Say, "My Lord has only forbidden immoralities - what is apparent of them and what is concealed - and sin, and oppression without right, and that you associate with Allah that for which He has not sent down authority, and that you say about Allah that which you do not know."

Western politics hurt millions of people; you are not hurt because you're in the west but I am bleeding.
Western economics cause hunger and misery to the weak (Africa; anyone?).
Western imperialism caused Vietnam, then Iraq, and now Afghanistan.

I smell a big, nasty immortality.

It sounds as though you want to swap Western imperialism for Islamist imperialism. I’d be grateful if you could explain how that’s better.

Boru

(August 18, 2021 at 1:49 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I advise you to return to your hole, and fight the Oligarch wing + bankers who ate the flesh of America.
If Biden's party stopped invasions and murdering of innocents in imperialistic wars; this shameful day could've been avoided for the U.S.

Eat the rich, I'm right there with you.  IIRC a guy just fled afghanistan with more money than he could stuff his vehicles with.  That seems bad.

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Quote:Honestly, human beings have a trait of showing "ego" and believing they are super; and that what scares me from any victory by the weak.
I don't believe in "westernizing"; but I believe every human is free to live like they want with the statement of the Quran itself:

You know I don't care what some shaman said a warlord said a ghost told him.  

Still, there's wisdom here in worrying about ego.  It was hubris for us to assume that we could nation build with no plan while diverting resources to another war, and, all of that through a recession - no less.  Yet we still made tremendous gains for the afghan people.  Even a little elbow grease in a shithole goes a long way, it would seem.  

Imagine what could have been accomplished had the war not been mismanaged on our side - and had you and your lot not spread ridiculous bullshit about inhuman western monsters coming to steal their patch of nothereistani dirt?  

Perhaps, then, the afghan people would be looking at a future where they were free to live like they want - but that's not the future the taliban intends to bring.

Quote:Western politics hurt millions of people; you are not hurt because you're in the west but I am bleeding.
Western economics cause hunger and misery to the weak (Africa; anyone?).
Western imperialism caused Vietnam, then Iraq, and now Afghanistan.

I smell a big, nasty immortality.

Has it ever occurred to you to ask? The west paid dearly, as you gleefully note. An entire generation of people consigned to poverty and shitty roads so that we could effect a marginal improvement elsewhere - all lost now, apparently..to the cheering of an islamist mob. Some of us were killed, and a great many more wounded. There's no shortage of blood and being from the west didn;t protect anyone. Now, remember, we never really -had- to be there. We threw all those american lives on the altar of helping people less fortunate than ourselves. Now, a significant portion of both sides of the aisle here in the us tend towards a more isolationist pov. They feel that helping others hasn;t been worth it, and we should do less of it.

Good luck to the rest of you, forget our number, I guess. What could possibly go wrong?

(August 18, 2021 at 2:41 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 18, 2021 at 1:49 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I advise you to return to your hole, and fight the Oligarch wing + bankers who ate the flesh of America.
If Biden's party stopped invasions and murdering of innocents in imperialistic wars; this shameful day could've been avoided for the U.S.

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Honestly, human beings have a trait of showing "ego" and believing they are super; and that what scares me from any victory by the weak.
I don't believe in "westernizing"; but I believe every human is free to live like they want with the statement of the Quran itself:



Just don't hurt anybody's else freedoms, rights or properties:



Western politics hurt millions of people; you are not hurt because you're in the west but I am bleeding.
Western economics cause hunger and misery to the weak (Africa; anyone?).
Western imperialism caused Vietnam, then Iraq, and now Afghanistan.

I smell a big, nasty immortality.

It sounds as though you want to swap Western imperialism for Islamist imperialism. I’d be grateful if you could explain how that’s better.

Boru

Not at all, actually I always stood against the "Islamic Ummayad invasion of Europe" for example, I told you my deal with anybody -Muslim or non-Muslim- depends on their respect to this verse in the Quran:

Quote:Sura 60, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 7 )   Perhaps Allah will put, between you and those to whom you have been enemies among them, affection. And Allah is competent, and Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.


( 8 )   Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.

( 9 )   Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers.

But if you kill my family, expel me and my people from our homes, take my land, take my soul, then you are on enemy I will fight until you leave me alone.

Isn't the definition of imperialism is the killing of families, expelling from homes and taking lands and souls?
I will be a traitor to Islam if I practice that without right.

Quote:Not at all, actually I always stood against the "Islamic Ummayad invasion of Europe" for example, I told you my deal with anybody -Muslim or non-Muslim- depends on their respect to this verse in the Quran:

Too bad the Taliban don't think that way 

Quote:But if you kill my family, expel me and my people from our homes, take my land, take my soul, then you are on enemy I will fight until you leave me alone.

Isn't the definition of imperialism is the killing of families, expelling from homes and taking lands and souls?
I will be a traitor to Islam if I practice that without right.

Does this count when the Taliban slaughter other Muslims and brutally oppress them and then support groups that do the same world wide. Oh, wait it's only when westerners do it right?

Rather the devil you know, playing out in the lives of people, I suppose. I really cant add anything to or be more accurate in my thoughts in saying that us withdrawal is a humanitarian disaster. We wont gain or lose shit - it's not a thing that will practically affect us voters. Those people, themselves,stand to lose everything they've gained - subject only to whether or not the current taliban will be more open to westernization and liberal islam than the past taliban was.

I think that serious people who care about people might want to reflect on that. None of them here, ofc. Just a fucking islamist who revels in the thematically appropriate misfortune of others. One bad plate of shrimp away from flying a plane into a building, himself.

(August 15, 2021 at 5:17 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(August 15, 2021 at 5:04 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Yeah. Now they can go on a killing spree, oppress women, butcher unbelievers and so on.

Is that hyperbole? Nope. That is their stated objective.

And winter likes it.

When are you going to realize that this is "the propaganda" the U.S army wanted you to believe?
They fooled you and lied to you so you can sleep at night and forget that you killed poor innocent people.

Wake up. You lived a lie. You lived a propaganda. You sinned.
The only person enjoying the killing is you, your institution, and your faith. Eaters of civilizations, you've been doing it since centuries.

Here:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-57986.html

Quote:WinterHold said in 2019:

You burned the native Americans once, you burned the world in WW1, you burned the world again in WW2, kept on burning it with detonating the atomic bomb over Japan in the same WW2. You are cold blooded killers and you teach cold-blooded killing in schools and call it "politics". What you are doing is not politics, what you are doing is savage gang mentality. What you are doing is terrorism.

Just like the Barbarians of Ancient Europe.

You are Gog and Magog. But you always lied and tried to convince us that Gog and Magog do not exist or they are Asians.
You are the monsters that would inhabit this planet at the very end.

Are you that idiotic that you think I am American? That is hilarious.

Anyone who mentions that the taliban are and have always been and promise to be pieces of shit......must be a zionist pigdog american.

Fucking jews.