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Free Will Debate
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Free Will Debate



(November 23, 2021 at 2:14 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: We really should start a separate thread.

The above is all I will add to this discussion, since I don't want to go through it all again.
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@Alan V

Are you the original author of that essay?

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I couldn’t help but stop reading when the author dropped the dumb bomb of “no free will, then science isn’t valid”.

On account of how it one, wasn’t true, and two, would only be an argument from poor consequences if it were.

It seems to me that the entire bit can be boiled down to, “ we have free will, because we’re deciders”. A less than impressive non seq. Ofc we’re deciders…..and so is the thermostat on your ac.

Similarly, the second is another no shit statement. If we reduce free will to mean “whatever we do have” then we have it by default regardless of whether whatever we have is in any meaningful sense free.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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(November 23, 2021 at 3:04 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: @Alan V

Are you the original author of that essay?

Boru

Yes, although I obviously quoted heavily from the three original books.

(November 23, 2021 at 3:24 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I couldn’t help but stop reading when the author dropped the dumb bomb of “no free will, then science isn’t valid”.

On account of how it one, wasn’t true, and two, would only be an argument from poor consequences if it were.

It seems to me that the entire bit can be boiled down to, “ we have free will, because we’re deciders”.  A less than impressive non seq.  Ofc we’re deciders…..and so is the thermostat on your ac.

Similarly, the second is another no shit statement.  If we reduce free will to mean “whatever we do have” then we have it by default regardless of whether whatever we have is in any meaningful sense free.

I don't necessarily agree with all I quote when I'm summarizing.  I just thought the author had a few interesting perspectives nevertheless, especially insofar as he represented a different vantage.
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(November 23, 2021 at 3:48 pm)Alan V Wrote:
(November 23, 2021 at 3:04 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: @Alan V

Are you the original author of that essay?

Boru

Yes, although I obviously quoted heavily from the three original books.


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Free will cannot exist absolutely unless one is willing to say that all epileptics are choosing to have their seizures or that Alzheimer's patients are choosing to forget the names of their grandchildren.
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@ Alan V

I get that…but the different vantage point the author provided was terminally silly. An example of how a person might be brilliant at one thing, and a drooling loon at another.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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(November 23, 2021 at 2:32 pm)Alan V Wrote:



(November 23, 2021 at 2:14 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: We really should start a separate thread.

The above is all I will add to this discussion, since I don't want to go through it all again.

 Me neither.

All I'll add is that I lean towards determinism. I think the free will is mainly an illusion. I have no idea to what degree.  However, I feel as if I have free will so live as if I do.
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(November 23, 2021 at 4:11 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: For future reference:

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Boru

You should delete my inappropriate post. Though I am conflicted, I would prefer it if you did.
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