@akay Perhaps I wasn't clear enough, Let me reiterate my previous post.

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(March 16, 2022 at 2:02 pm)akay Wrote: We have to know that the one who descended Qur’an is the same one who created universe who is Allah Almighty...

That is not "knowledge," akay.  That is a belief and nothing more.  Please learn the difference between knowledge and belief.

There is no credible, testable, falsifiable evidence that "Allah Almighty" exists.  That too is just a belief until otherwise demonstrated with suitable evidence.  (Hint:  The Qur'an is not evidence that is up to my standards.)

I have no religious faith, and in my eyes Allah is a fictional being.  There is nothing that you can say or do that will change that.  Absolutely nothing.  There is only one way to convince me, and no mortal on Earth has ever been able to make it happen.

As for your disgusting opinions regarding child brides, I strongly advise you to sit down in a quiet place and imagine the pain that those young girls experienced, and to weep for them.

This subject is the favorite of Islamophobes who find here an opportunity to attack the Prophet (sws)



We know that at the time, there was no commune to register the child in a national register or certificate issued by the hospital mentioning the exact moment of birth, and therefore only parents could we Given the age of the child (and again!), . We do not have hadiths reported by Aicha's parents (Abu-Barker and Um-Rumane) about Aisha's age at the time of her marriage. Similarly, the people of that time, they could only give us an approximation. There is obviously a doubt about it. Today, some of our grandparents do not even know their exact age, sometimes there is 5.6.7 ... years of age difference, so what about when it was 14 centuries ago! ?

We have no proof of a national register of the Arabian Peninsula of the 7th century AD! We only have suggestions, estimates and approximations.



Aisha was 18 years old at the time of the Hegira (ie at the time of the Prophet's immigration) and she became his wife at the age of 19-20, this is the minimum age what she can have!








: The detractors of Islam love exaggerated on this passage, they simply express their hatred in this way unfortunately.
Criticism of Aisha age during her marriage was a non-issue to his followers nor his enemies. People have very recently begun fabricating an issue about it because they struggle to find serious criticism of Muhammad.

European Judaism - "Child marriage was possible in Judaism due to the very low marriageable age for females. A ketannah (literally meaning little [one]) was any girl between the age of 3 years and that of 12 years plus one day;[4] a ketannah was completely subject to her father's authority, and her father could arrange a marriage for her without her agreement."

Not to mention you can go to Guatemala/Honduras/other South American cultures to

find child marriages to be the norm.
We must also consider the environment:
We know that the Arabian Peninsula is a warm country, and therefore the age of puberty is not the same as that of some European countries, American, Scandinavian, ... It is from the age of puberty that our actions are numbered, it is the age from which we have the capacity to judge things. At the time a person was eligible to get married as of the age of puberty, was the custom and this is how the age of marriage was determined. Aicha fulfilled all the conditions of marriage. Even now, there are certain countries where young ladies get married at a very young age.

A man like Mohammad having the place he had in society, would he ask for a little girl? And if he would have done that, his companions would think like his detractors at the present time and would have abandoned him. We know that the detractors of Islam at the time of Mohammad
they did not say anything about that,

Hazrat Aisha was 19, not 9 at marriage time? by Dr Zakir Naik

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The prophet’s mercy to animals, Even the bird found a place in his heart





The prophet’s heart would be shaken to its very foundations if he saw a distressed bird that lost its babies. A wounded animal, a hungry animal, a sick animal , insects burnt, water being polluted moved his heart, too, and stirred his compassion, yet on his shoulder he onus of imparting God’s message to the whole of the world. How great is such a prophet!

How miraculous is this prophet!

He is the message of heavens to the earth, the message of mercy, the exemplary to be followed. God says in the Holy Quran what means; “you have in the Messenger of Allah an excellent exemplar for him who hopes in Allah and the latter day and remembers Allah much. (21)

Prophet Muhammad called not to kill even a frog and he said, “Its croaking is tasbeeh (praising God).” Always with this litany was capped his words” Those who are not merciful will not find mercy( on the part of God).”

Such is his mercy that inspired his followers such as Um’ar ibn Al-Kahtab to the extent that he, too, was so worried if an animal was stumbled in the far east or west and feared that he would be held responsible for it before his Lord; he says” I fear that If an animal is stumbled in the far east or west that I will be held accountable before my Lord on the Day of Judgment.”

This is Mohammed, who rebuked the tyrannies of his times including emperors, notwithstanding he would be moved for a bird that lost its babies.

It is narrated that someone took two chicks of a bird (hamra), which came in panic searching for its chicks. Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him and his house) then asked, “Who has distressed it by taking its chicks?” Then he asked them to return the chicks.

Perhaps people lavish animals with their care because of their beauty unmindful of their being entities created by God, The case is different in Islam. The following Hadith lays credence to this fact. It is narrated that the prophet once passed by a burned out anthill. When the Prophet saw it he asked, “Who has burned it?” When he was informed of who had done it, he said, “Only the Lord of Fire has the right to punish with fire.” Is there any beauty in ants?!

His mercy was not only confined to caring about animals but it goes even more, Seeing a hungry animal would move his heart so much to the extent that he would go to its owner rebuking him for not feeding his animal.

Once the Prophet passed by a camel that was so emaciated its back was one with its abdomen. Upon that, the Prophet said, “Fear Allah with regard to livestock. Ride them in a fitting way and eat them when they are in good condition.”

In his heart, everything has a portion, the distressed among people would go to him to ease their hearts even the distressed animals would do the same thing. He once entered the garden of man from the Ansar (Muslims of Madinah) and there was a camel. When the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him and his house) saw the camel it froze and its eyes started watering. Then the Prophet of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him and his house) came to it and rubbed its ears so it calmed down. Then the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him and his house) said, “Who is the owner of this camel? Whose camel is this?” A young man from the Ansar told him (peace and blessings be upon him and his house),”O Messenger of Allah, it belongs to me.” Then he told him (peace and blessings be upon him and his house), “Do you not fear Allah with regard to this beast which Allah has let you own? It complained to me that you starve it and tire it by overworking it and using it beyond its capacity.”


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once convinced that God exists I did not feel the need to look for books other than the quran,
since I already knew him and I found there the truths of the prophecies ..;
I read a little classical poetry it has nothing to do with the most "elaborate" poems and writings in the Arabic language; you have to know Arabic to understand what I mean
even the hadith full of wisdom; ...

for the Bible we were given a while one; out of curiosity I started to read it but full of awkwardness in the style of the stories ... so I could not go far; I like to reread it and I find it difficult to understand it because of that;

ok i take as a starting point that everything i have learned so far may be wrong
What explains to me the existence of what surrounds me with all its complexity and so much "specialization" and laws?


I am not an atheist
I believe in the existence of God


For example

If the criminal escaped punishment after killing people
If the criminal is not punished in this world
God punishes him on the day of resurrection

Don't lose anything if you believe in God


You will lose everything if you don't
surprised in the afterlife
God is there
Heaven and hell are there too
There is no other chance

The opportunity is there
Choose your choice

it is the atheists who must prove that God does not exist and not the other way around
If I say that a castle well built in the smallest detail well decorated has come like this who will believe me? who will believe that it was made by pure chance? it's against common sense
and it is the one who claims that it is due to pure chance who must prove his statements not to the contrary

a world with laws that we are always trying to discover and are such perfect creatures the work of chance? the human body with all the glands working in harmony? the difference in sex? Has the human being developed on its own to the point of "deciding" to create a man and a woman with an X chromosome and a Y to have the same number of chromosomes in the newborn?


if you tell me that a well-made castle is the work of chance, it's up to you to explain to me how since it is contrary to common sense
the burden of proof is on the one who denies something in accordance with common sense
how the bricks were placed by pure chance according to a well-made architecture
...
and the decoration with all its finesse, how it formed


Scientific Proof for an Atheist on Existence of God - by Dr Zakir Naik youtube

Zakir Naik is a fruitcake.

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(March 17, 2022 at 7:30 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Zakir Naik is a fruitcake.

Yes but he's a pleasant and coherent nut-bar.

Not like some of the other opinionated religious nut-bars out there.

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(March 17, 2022 at 7:07 am)akay Wrote: 1) Once convinced that God exists I did not feel the need to look for books other than the quran, since I already knew him and I found there the truths of the prophecies .

2) For the Bible we were given a while one; out of curiosity I started to read it but full of awkwardness in the style of the stories ... so I could not go far; I like to reread it and I find it difficult to understand it because of that;

3)Ok i take as a starting point that everything i have learned so far may be wrong.

4)What explains to me the existence of what surrounds me with all its complexity and so much "specialization" and laws?


5)I am not an atheist
I believe in the existence of God


For example

6)If the criminal escaped punishment after killing people
If the criminal is not punished in this world
God punishes him on the day of resurrection

7)Don't lose anything if you believe in God

You will lose everything if you don't
surprised in the afterlife
God is there
Heaven and hell are there too
There is no other chance

The opportunity is there
Choose your choice

8)It is the atheists who must prove that God does not exist and not the other way around.

9)If I say that a castle well built in the smallest detail well decorated has come like this who will believe me? who will believe that it was made by pure chance? it's against common sense.

10)And it is the one who claims that it is due to pure chance who must prove his statements not to the contrary

11)A world with laws that we are always trying to discover and are such perfect creatures the work of chance? the human body with all the glands working in harmony? the difference in sex? Has the human being developed on its own to the point of "deciding" to create a man and a woman with an X chromosome and a Y to have the same number of chromosomes in the newborn?


12)If you tell me that a well-made castle is the work of chance, it's up to you to explain to me how since it is contrary to common sense.
The burden of proof is on the one who denies something in accordance with common sense.
how the bricks were placed by pure chance according to a well-made architecture
...
and the decoration with all its finesse, how it formed


Scientific Proof for an Atheist on Existence of God - by Dr Zakir Naik youtube

1) I'm glad your personal search was so self convincing.

2) Perhapse try a different version of the Bible? One more presented for beginners?

3) Yes. This is probably true(-ish) for every one as our knowledge and understanding of reality is constantly growing/expanding.

4) What you perceive of reality you've already pointed out in (3) could be wrong or subject to change. That you seem incredulous of reality simply reflects upon your way of thinking.

5) Congratulations. I'm not an 'Atheist' either.
I've previously explained my position as a 'Non-theist'.
It's great that you believe. I see nothing to indicate the supernatural exists.

6) If a criminal goes unpublished before they die. (And we're getting into a whole other can of worms about the ethics of 'Justice' etc) then that is the end if things for them. they are deceased. They are an expired criminal. You might want to nail them back onto ths pearch but they've otherwise gone off to pushin' up daisies.

Various other Religions have been expressing the whole "Days of resurrection/doom" for quite some time now. Do you actually have a better and more accurate 'Due date' on offer for an actual event?

7) This is a variation on 'Pascal's wager'. For which the issue of most importance is [HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU HAVE THE RIGHT AND ONLY DIETY?]
* Of note. If there is an actual, real 'Heaven' and 'Hell' why can't we detect/find such places?

8) It is the Atheist/Non-theist who must prove there isn't a diety? Really? Is this how you think it works?
Okay then, here's your revelation, I am actually the Deific-Cthuhlu. Ta-DAA!

9) Your incredulity about the working of reality is not a good selling point. Humanity has a reasonably good grasp on physics, chemistry, biology et.al to competently map out how everything works and is interconnected. Please point to the 'Impossible god bit'. Cheers.

10) No one actually claims this.

11) Our 'Laws' are just descriptions of what we experience etc. Hence why science is constantly exploring new ways to test what we think we know. Hence, for example, the LIGO gravity wave detector machine/equipment to actually measure waves in/of gravity.
The biology of life is far from 'Perfect' hence cancer and various parasites along with diseases. Loom up plant sex. Now there is a messy and complicated amount of stuff.

12) Again your incredulity and failed 'Watch maker' analogy does nothing for your position. Plus, really? You insist the burden is on the 'Denier'? Okay then, again I confirm I am the great Deific-Cthuhlu! Ta-DAA!

Finally, I find Dr Naik to be entertaining. Demonstrably wrong on a lot of things but entertaining none the less.

Cheers.

The Hadeeth 16245

When saying something as stupid and ridiculous as this, try putting an Arabic source instead of hateful disgusting misleading done by some Christians who don't even understand Arabic.

This is total nonsense, the Hadeeth of prophet in Islam is very wide science and no vagabond can claims its knowledge without real university qualification.

The Hadeeth is the saying, teachings and acts of the prophet (PBUH) which is subject to strict conditions for its accurracy.

This is one of the weakest Hadeeth attributed to the prophet, and has been criticised long time ago in the relevant books for Hadeeth, for lacking all necessary sound conditions required in the valid Hadeeth according to the conditions agreed upon by all muslims scholars.



It was the Prophet's grandson, Hasan (RA), and he was playing with him and kissing him like people play with their little children.

Yes, a similar practice to this exists today in Western countries. It is called kissing, and people still kiss their children.



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There are some variations in the exact age of lady 'Aisha among historians.

The heinous accusation that was only raised by some ill intentioned orientalists regarding the young age of lady 'Aisha at the time of her marriage to Prophet Muhammad was not raised by the vehement enemies of Islam like the Prophet's tribe, Quraysh, during the time of Prophet Muhammad nor later along the Islamic history. Even historians like Ibn Ishaq and many others who reported the story of the marriage of lady 'Aisha did not stop and wonder about her young age nor they had to justify the Prophet' position of marrying her because simply at that time girls were getting married at such young age. The fact that lady 'Aisha was about to be betrothed to another man before the prophet's proposal means that this was customary practice and not a source of shame or a denigration of morality. Prophet Muhammad since time immemorial was well known among his people of Quraysh to posses the highest moral characteristics and won the hearts of people through the perfection of his manners.

Islamic scholars and historians agreed that Lady 'Aisha had so many virtues as her intellectual discernment and excellent memory served her well in transmitting the large prophetic heritage and set her par excellence as one of the top religious scholars of her time. She happened to live for fifty years after the death of the Prophet and the companions used to seek her juristic opinion on issues which seemed intricate to them.



Lady 'Aisha practiced Ijtihad (independent legal reasoning) and was singled out by her unique narrations of prophetic traditions that was not collected by other companions. The eminent scholar al Zmakhshari compiled all the prophetic traditions which lady 'Aisha solely narrated in a valuable book titled "al Ijabah fi Ma Istadrakathu 'Aisha 'ala al Sahabah" or the collection of what 'Aisha has added and was missing by the companions"




One of the Prophet's companions named, 'Attaa ibn Abi Rabah said "Aisha was the top of all jurists and the most knowledgeable among them and had the best opinion in public matters". Hisham ibn 'Urwa narrated that his father said about 'Aisha "I haven't seen any one more knowledgeable with jurisprudence or medicine or poetry than 'Aisha". The renowned historian Al Zuhri said that if all the knowledge of the Prophet's wives were measured along with the knowledge of all women, the knowledge of 'Aisha would weigh more. The virtues of lady 'Aisha reached its highest when God chose for his beloved Prophet to die within her arms as a commemoration of their love story.


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Well..... I honestly don't know who that response was for Akay. Cheers though.

(March 17, 2022 at 10:34 am)akay Wrote: The Hadeeth 16245

When saying something as stupid and ridiculous as this, try putting an Arabic source instead of hateful disgusting misleading done by some Christians who don't even understand Arabic.

This is total nonsense, the Hadeeth of prophet in Islam is very wide science and no vagabond can claims its knowledge without real university qualification.

The Hadeeth is the saying, teachings and acts of the prophet (PBUH) which is subject to strict conditions for its accurracy.

This is one of the weakest Hadeeth attributed to the prophet, and has been criticised long time ago in the relevant books for Hadeeth, for lacking all necessary sound conditions required in the valid Hadeeth according to the conditions agreed upon by all muslims scholars.



It was the Prophet's grandson, Hasan (RA), and he was playing with him and kissing him like people play with their little children.

Yes, a similar practice to this exists today in Western countries. It is called kissing, and people still kiss their children.

Oh, look at the "expert", he is quoting some guy from Quora, while other Muslim is claiming that it's not authentic isnad.

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-th...hmad-16245

I mean, Muslims, settle this: is the whole isnad made up, is it the wrong translation, is it the wrong context...

It's the old wheel of excuses that Muslims have for Mohammed: its not in the right context, the translation is not good, the Hadith is not authentic, west hates Islam... any stupid excuse just so you don't have to face the truth that Mohammed was a scumbag.

see here

إجابة تسحق الفم لمن يقولون أن النبي كان منجذب جنسيا لل... - عباقرة: حمزة وعباس Speaker's corner youtube