(March 31, 2022 at 12:35 pm)RBP3280 Wrote: One of my favorites is https://near-death.com/science. This site really only covers the basics of the research that has been done. For someone wanting to study honest research I think it is a good place to start.

I didn't look, but, anything from that site that has occurred under controlled, experimental conditions?

(March 31, 2022 at 12:46 pm)Aegon Wrote:

(March 30, 2022 at 2:08 pm)RBP3280 Wrote: Good point. First of all I haven't seen any evidence that the resurrection didn't occur, so we can speculate all day long but all we have is the accounts in the bible. 

That's not how logic works, sir. If nobody else in the history of humanity has come back from the dead, what's more likely - Jesus was able to do it, or it's not a real story? It's not even close, the odds are very obviously in favor of the latter. "Nobody knows for sure so it could go either way" is very poor logic.

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(March 31, 2022 at 12:10 pm)RBP3280 Wrote: I came to these forms stating I have questions and I have failed to ask the questions I came with. As atheist do believe it makes no difference how you live your life? Another words a person we may consider evil verses some one the works for the good of man kind. 
To me, to think there is nothing more than this life, then Solomon was right when he said "Meaningless! Meaningless!" says the Teacher. "Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless."

Do you only ever do things for a greater pay-off in the future?

Sure have, I was taught to live on 90% of my income and invest 10%, I followed that advice for a future payoff, and it did pay off very well.

(March 31, 2022 at 1:18 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(March 31, 2022 at 12:35 pm)RBP3280 Wrote: One of my favorites is https://near-death.com/science. This site really only covers the basics of the research that has been done. For someone wanting to study honest research I think it is a good place to start.

I didn't look, but, anything from that site that has occurred under controlled, experimental conditions?

Isn't that the same website that Little Rik was obsessed with?

(March 31, 2022 at 12:58 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(March 31, 2022 at 12:10 pm)RBP3280 Wrote: I came to these forms stating I have questions and I have failed to ask the questions I came with. As atheist do believe it makes no difference how you live your life? Another words a person we may consider evil verses some one the works for the good of man kind. 

I think it makes a huge difference how a person lives their life.  It's pretty clear, to me, that a kind and loving father who provides for his children isn't the same as a serial abuser who finally does them the mercy of abandoning them - for example.

What you're looking for are sociopaths, not atheists...sociopaths.

I've heard greed is one of the seven deadly sins. If there is no repercussions for living a life of greed, and that makes ones life more comfortable. Then what is the problem with greed?

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(March 31, 2022 at 2:04 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(March 31, 2022 at 1:18 pm)Jehanne Wrote: I didn't look, but, anything from that site that has occurred under controlled, experimental conditions?

Isn't that the same website that Little Rik was obsessed with?

Yes there have been some controlled experiments, reality is most weren't conclusive enough to establish any scientific facts.

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(March 31, 2022 at 1:56 pm)RBP3280 Wrote:

(March 31, 2022 at 12:46 pm)Aegon Wrote: That's not how logic works, sir. If nobody else in the history of humanity has come back from the dead, what's more likely - Jesus was able to do it, or it's not a real story? It's not even close, the odds are very obviously in favor of the latter. "Nobody knows for sure so it could go either way" is very poor logic.

Sure have, I was taught to live on 90% of my income and invest 10%, I followed that advice for a future payoff, and it did pay off very well.

Reality is many have come back from the dead, you may not want to accept it, but it is a fact.

(March 31, 2022 at 1:56 pm)RBP3280 Wrote:

(March 31, 2022 at 12:46 pm)Aegon Wrote: That's not how logic works, sir. If nobody else in the history of humanity has come back from the dead, what's more likely - Jesus was able to do it, or it's not a real story? It's not even close, the odds are very obviously in favor of the latter. "Nobody knows for sure so it could go either way" is very poor logic.

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Do you only ever do things for a greater pay-off in the future?

Sure have, I was taught to live on 90% of my income and invest 10%, I followed that advice for a future payoff, and it did pay off very well.

Lol, I didn't mean that literally. My point is: life is worth living for its own sake. If you think it's meaningless because it all ends once you die, then that's sad.

(March 31, 2022 at 2:07 pm)RBP3280 Wrote: Reality is many have come back from the dead, you may not want to accept it, but it is a fact.

Clinical death and actual death are not the same thing. And even in your definition of "come back from the dead," nobody does it after whole days.

I stand corrected, you're not looking for a sociopath, you are one. For most of us, believers or not, whether we get punished in afterlife for a thing - in this case greed - has little to nothing to do with why we see it as problematic. I can only assume when the faithful show up with questions like these that they utterly lack a moral compass, or have pitched themselves into a completely disingenuous line of questioning from the get go. Hell, why not both, right?

Can you think of any reason that greed might be bad, because all I'm hearing is that being punished is bad? I suspect that neither of us likes to get slapped in the face, but if you didn't get slapped in the face, after you died...I guess...would that mean that greed was either good, or nuetral?

Is a violent assault only problematic when or if the offender gets caught and convicted?

More fundamentally...so what if that were the case, right? If part of why you believe that there's an afterlife is because you think it would suck if there were "no repercussions"..well, things might just suck, because there's no afterlife, right?

(March 31, 2022 at 2:07 pm)RBP3280 Wrote: Reality is many have come back from the dead, you may not want to accept it, but it is a fact.

It's not a fact but anecdotal evidence like alien abductions, Elvis sightings, etc.

(March 28, 2022 at 8:00 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I'd probably call that a component that would -not- be found in your idea of a religion of x.

Faith isn't a requirement of religiosity. The Most Faithful™ people need no faith, because they know (and/or are contended to have met) god in person, for example. Conversely, a religion of no gods may need no faith because it's premised on fact or a commitment to facts, instead.

I don’t see what you are describing as a religion.

(March 31, 2022 at 2:23 pm)Aegon Wrote:

(March 31, 2022 at 1:56 pm)RBP3280 Wrote: Sure have, I was taught to live on 90% of my income and invest 10%, I followed that advice for a future payoff, and it did pay off very well.

Lol, I didn't mean that literally. My point is: life is worth living for its own sake. If you think it's meaningless because it all ends once you die, then that's sad.

(March 31, 2022 at 2:07 pm)RBP3280 Wrote: Reality is many have come back from the dead, you may not want to accept it, but it is a fact.

Clinical death and actual death are not the same thing. And even in your definition of "come back from the dead," nobody does it after whole days.

I know you didn't mean it literally and I for one believe it is critically important how we live our lives. 
You are obviously misinformed about cases of returning from death after days, it has happened, and well documented. 
Reality is, once the heart stops, breathing stops, and brain activity ends, the person is dead, not near death. Any physician will tell you that; otherwise they couldn't call the time of death.

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(March 31, 2022 at 2:24 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(March 31, 2022 at 2:07 pm)RBP3280 Wrote: Reality is many have come back from the dead, you may not want to accept it, but it is a fact.

It's not a fact but anecdotal evidence like alien abductions, Elvis sightings, etc.

Can you prove that? Or are you unwilling to look at any evidence that may challenge your beliefs?

(March 31, 2022 at 2:31 pm)RBP3280 Wrote:

(March 31, 2022 at 2:23 pm)Aegon Wrote: Lol, I didn't mean that literally. My point is: life is worth living for its own sake. If you think it's meaningless because it all ends once you die, then that's sad.


Clinical death and actual death are not the same thing. And even in your definition of "come back from the dead," nobody does it after whole days.

I know you didn't mean it literally and I for one believe it is critically important how we live our lives. 

So how is it meaningless without an afterlife?

Quote:You are obviously misinformed about cases of returning from death after days, it has happened, and well documented. 
Reality is, once the heart stops, breathing stops, and brain activity ends, the person is dead, not near death. Any physician will tell you that; otherwise they couldn't call the time of death.

After days, huh? Show me one example.