(April 20, 2022 at 11:41 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(April 18, 2022 at 12:13 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: If we say "We don't/can't know for sure.", then we basically say we do not know anything, since there is hardly anything in science we know for sure.

No. That’s a false dilemma. In science we say as much as we can say based on the evidence we have, and we don’t say more until we have evidentiary support for it. In this case, we can make reasonable inferences based on the available data and use them to set guidelines for saturated fat intake, but what we cannot do is say “coconuts cause heart disease.” 

Quote:What do you mean not everyone with elevated LDL levels will eventually develop heart disease?

 
How was that ambiguous?

Quote:That is, as far as I understand it, true only because there are other causes of death, such as cancer and car crashes, that might kill us before we had a chance to develop heart disease.

Without a crystal ball, I’m not sure how any reasonable, evidence-minded person could make such an assertion as “they would have developed heart disease if only they didn’t die in that car crash.” How could anyone possibly know that? Have you any idea the myriad of factors that play a role in disease manifestation and progression? It’s not just one bio-marker.

Quote:But one cannot live into the old age with elevated LDL levels, right?

Of course they can. I was a clinical dietitian at a nursing home for several years. Almost every one of my residents had dislipidemia, lol. 

To be frank, I don’t think someone who still has so many questions (and I’m glad you have questions; that’s how we learn) should be posting YouTube videos from a place of self-ascribed authority on any of these issues; especially with the audacity to call opposing views “obvious nonsense.” I encourage you to take some courses in nutrition and dietetics if you’re interested in the subject, and spend a few years learning before making further clinical declarations about medical nutrition therapy and posting them to the internet.

OK, let's say you are right, that there is not enough evidence for us to be certain that coconuts cause heart disease. So what? There is certainly even less evidence that they are safe, much less beneficial to people with type-2-diabetes.

(April 23, 2022 at 3:30 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:

(April 20, 2022 at 11:41 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: No. That’s a false dilemma. In science we say as much as we can say based on the evidence we have, and we don’t say more until we have evidentiary support for it. In this case, we can make reasonable inferences based on the available data and use them to set guidelines for saturated fat intake, but what we cannot do is say “coconuts cause heart disease.” 

 
How was that ambiguous?


Without a crystal ball, I’m not sure how any reasonable, evidence-minded person could make such an assertion as “they would have developed heart disease if only they didn’t die in that car crash.” How could anyone possibly know that? Have you any idea the myriad of factors that play a role in disease manifestation and progression? It’s not just one bio-marker.


Of course they can. I was a clinical dietitian at a nursing home for several years. Almost every one of my residents had dislipidemia, lol. 

To be frank, I don’t think someone who still has so many questions (and I’m glad you have questions; that’s how we learn) should be posting YouTube videos from a place of self-ascribed authority on any of these issues; especially with the audacity to call opposing views “obvious nonsense.” I encourage you to take some courses in nutrition and dietetics if you’re interested in the subject, and spend a few years learning before making further clinical declarations about medical nutrition therapy and posting them to the internet.

OK, let's say you are right, that there is not enough evidence for us to be certain that coconuts cause heart disease. So what? There is certainly even less evidence that they are safe, much less beneficial to people with type-2-diabetes.

Is the consumption of coconuts and coconut products really that much of an issue? I mean, how often do you read 'Man Dies Of Heart Attack After Eating Bounty Bar'?

Boru

(April 23, 2022 at 4:27 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(April 23, 2022 at 3:30 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: OK, let's say you are right, that there is not enough evidence for us to be certain that coconuts cause heart disease. So what? There is certainly even less evidence that they are safe, much less beneficial to people with type-2-diabetes.

Is the consumption of coconuts and coconut products really that much of an issue? I mean, how often do you read 'Man Dies Of Heart Attack After Eating Bounty Bar'?

Boru

My guess is that it is common enough not to make it into the news when it happens.

(April 23, 2022 at 4:37 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:

(April 23, 2022 at 4:27 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Is the consumption of coconuts and coconut products really that much of an issue? I mean, how often do you read 'Man Dies Of Heart Attack After Eating Bounty Bar'?

Boru

My guess is that it is common enough not to make it into the news when it happens.

Really? People dropping dead after eating a coconut candy bar is so common that news outlets ignore it?

Boru

(April 23, 2022 at 4:45 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(April 23, 2022 at 4:37 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: My guess is that it is common enough not to make it into the news when it happens.

Really? People dropping dead after eating a coconut candy bar is so common that news outlets ignore it?

Boru

People drop dead all the time. News outlets generally do not investigate the causes of such deaths. Unless perhaps it is a teenager dying soon after a vaccine.

(April 23, 2022 at 5:12 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:

(April 23, 2022 at 4:45 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Really? People dropping dead after eating a coconut candy bar is so common that news outlets ignore it?

Boru

People drop dead all the time. News outlets generally do not investigate the causes of such deaths. Unless perhaps it is a teenager dying soon after a vaccine.

They have coconut vaccines now?

I don’t have the numbers to support this, but I strongly suspect that you’re more likely to be killed by falling coconuts that by eating coconuts.

Boru

Never has my cardiologist said to limit my consumption of anything coconut. 'Course I am not a fan of coconut and it will be the consumption of bacon that does me in.

Valk - is coconut on the list no-nos for your patients?

(April 23, 2022 at 6:26 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Never has my cardiologist said to limit my consumption of anything coconut. 'Course I am not a fan of coconut and it will be the consumption of bacon that does me in.

Valk - is coconut on the list no-nos for your patients?

Nope.

As with almost anything, moderation is key.

Hell, I eat a lot of coconut myself.

Edit to add: how the hell did I miss out on this convo until now??

(April 23, 2022 at 6:21 am)arewethereyet Wrote:

(April 23, 2022 at 5:12 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: People drop dead all the time. News outlets generally do not investigate the causes of such deaths. Unless perhaps it is a teenager dying soon after a vaccine.

They have coconut vaccines now?

You have to be trolling at this point.