(November 26, 2022 at 2:30 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(November 26, 2022 at 1:01 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (Bold mine)

Because of confession. If you miss one Mass or a dozen, you can always be shriven.

Boru

Most Catholics do not go to Confession, though.

A Catholic who doesn’t go to confession is a Catholic who isn’t worried about sin in the first place.

And, for the record, confession and penance are not required for sins to be forgiven.

Boru

(November 26, 2022 at 3:16 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(November 26, 2022 at 2:30 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Most Catholics do not go to Confession, though.

A Catholic who doesn’t go to confession is a Catholic who isn’t worried about sin in the first place.

And, for the record, confession and penance are not required for sins to be forgiven.

Boru

1484 "Individual, integral confession and absolution remain the only ordinary way for the faithful to reconcile themselves with God and the Church, unless physical or moral impossibility excuses from this kind of confession."95 There are profound reasons for this. Christ is at work in each of the sacraments. He personally addresses every sinner: "My son, your sins are forgiven."96 He is the physician tending each one of the sick who need him to cure them.97 He raises them up and reintegrates them into fraternal communion. Personal confession is thus the form most expressive of reconciliation with God and with the Church.

(November 26, 2022 at 3:27 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(November 26, 2022 at 3:16 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: A Catholic who doesn’t go to confession is a Catholic who isn’t worried about sin in the first place.

And, for the record, confession and penance are not required for sins to be forgiven.

Boru

1484 "Individual, integral confession and absolution remain the only ordinary way for the faithful to reconcile themselves with God and the Church, unless physical or moral impossibility excuses from this kind of confession."95 There are profound reasons for this. Christ is at work in each of the sacraments. He personally addresses every sinner: "My son, your sins are forgiven."96 He is the physician tending each one of the sick who need him to cure them.97 He raises them up and reintegrates them into fraternal communion. Personal confession is thus the form most expressive of reconciliation with God and with the Church.

‘The form most expressive’ explicitly establishes that there are other, acceptable forms.

https://www.catholic.com/qa/can-mortal-s...confessing

Quote:Sacramental confession is normatively required for the forgiveness of mortal sins; it is not absolutely required. What this means is that, in extraordinary circumstances, mortal sins can be forgiven outside of sacramental confession. If a Catholic is dying and cannot go to sacramental confession, his mortal sins may be forgiven if he repents with true contrition (i.e., sorrow for sin) and has at least the implicit intention to go to sacramental confession if the opportunity is made available.

Boru

(November 26, 2022 at 5:16 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(November 26, 2022 at 3:27 pm)Jehanne Wrote: 1484 "Individual, integral confession and absolution remain the only ordinary way for the faithful to reconcile themselves with God and the Church, unless physical or moral impossibility excuses from this kind of confession."95 There are profound reasons for this. Christ is at work in each of the sacraments. He personally addresses every sinner: "My son, your sins are forgiven."96 He is the physician tending each one of the sick who need him to cure them.97 He raises them up and reintegrates them into fraternal communion. Personal confession is thus the form most expressive of reconciliation with God and with the Church.

‘The form most expressive’ explicitly establishes that there are other, acceptable forms.

https://www.catholic.com/qa/can-mortal-s...confessing

Quote:Sacramental confession is normatively required for the forgiveness of mortal sins; it is not absolutely required. What this means is that, in extraordinary circumstances, mortal sins can be forgiven outside of sacramental confession. If a Catholic is dying and cannot go to sacramental confession, his mortal sins may be forgiven if he repents with true contrition (i.e., sorrow for sin) and has at least the implicit intention to go to sacramental confession if the opportunity is made available.

Boru

The website catholic.com was founded by Karl Keating, and it is not an official Church site, unlike the paragraph that I cited above, which is from the current Catechism of the Catholic Church. Point is that sacramental confession is not optional, at least if one is Catholic. But, as the paragraph that you cite above loosely states, if moral (catch all?) or physical impossibility prevents such, salutary repentance can suffice, at least until absolution in sacramental confession can be obtained later on for a penitent. But, such is not "optional".

Again, stirring the bullshit clockwise versus counterclockwise.

Taking sex advice from a celibate man is like taking writing lessons from the illiterate.

(November 26, 2022 at 7:20 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Taking sex advice from a celibate man is like taking writing lessons from the illiterate.

We had to take a class called 'Towards Marriage' taught by the clergy at school.

<eyeroll>

(November 26, 2022 at 6:18 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(November 26, 2022 at 5:16 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: ‘The form most expressive’ explicitly establishes that there are other, acceptable forms.

https://www.catholic.com/qa/can-mortal-s...confessing



Boru

The website catholic.com was founded by Karl Keating, and it is not an official Church site, unlike the paragraph that I cited above, which is from the current Catechism of the Catholic Church.  Point is that sacramental confession is not optional, at least if one is Catholic.  But, as the paragraph that you cite above loosely states, if moral (catch all?) or physical impossibility prevents such, salutary repentance can suffice, at least until absolution in sacramental confession can be obtained later on for a penitent.  But, such is not "optional".

Again, stirring the bullshit clockwise versus counterclockwise.

Keating’s group - Catholic Answers - operates with the permission and the blessing of his local diocese, as does the website. This would seem to make it approved by the Church, even though it isn’t run by the Church. But no matter - you can find the same answer from official Church sources, as evidenced by your earlier post.

In any case, I never claimed it was optional, I said it wasn’t the only method for Catholics to obtain absolution. And it isn’t.

Boru

(November 26, 2022 at 7:20 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Taking sex advice from a celibate man is like taking writing lessons from the illiterate.

If you think any of them are celibate then I have a burial shroud with Cesare Borgia's face on it dating to the First Century to sell you.

(November 26, 2022 at 8:08 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(November 26, 2022 at 6:18 pm)Jehanne Wrote: The website catholic.com was founded by Karl Keating, and it is not an official Church site, unlike the paragraph that I cited above, which is from the current Catechism of the Catholic Church.  Point is that sacramental confession is not optional, at least if one is Catholic.  But, as the paragraph that you cite above loosely states, if moral (catch all?) or physical impossibility prevents such, salutary repentance can suffice, at least until absolution in sacramental confession can be obtained later on for a penitent.  But, such is not "optional".

Again, stirring the bullshit clockwise versus counterclockwise.

Keating’s group - Catholic Answers - operates with the permission and the blessing of his local diocese, as does the website. This would seem to make it approved by the Church, even though it isn’t run by the Church. But no matter - you can find the same answer from official Church sources, as evidenced by your earlier post.

In any case, I never claimed it was optional, I said it wasn’t the only method for Catholics to obtain absolution. And it isn’t.

Boru

Unless any of their articles have an imprimatur, nihil obstat (some probably do), then, no, it's not "official" Church teaching, and even then, the Bishop or his reviewer does not share in the ex cathedra Magisterium of the Church, which lies solely with the Pope, the Vicar of Christ, and those bishops who are in communion with him.  Point is that sacramental confession is never, ever something that Catholic can choose not to have; in this respect, it is the only form of absolution for a Catholic, unless "moral or physical impossibility" prevents that individual from receiving the Sacrament.