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The Scripture Is False And The Biblical God Is Dead.
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 (January 18, 2023 at 5:03 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:(January 18, 2023 at 4:56 am)Helios Wrote: Nothing about blindsight back your claims. So this is a dead end. Subjective experience is useful and that's all it needs to be to have evolved. Deal with it ... Sweet baby Jeezuz - it’s the dreaded Bugs Bunny Riposte!! We’re doomed! Boru
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I've never seen any evidence that the biblical God, or any god for that matter, was ever alive in the first place.
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 RE: The Scripture Is False And The Biblical God Is Dead.
January 19, 2023 at 8:34 pm
(This post was last modified: January 19, 2023 at 8:35 pm by Paleophyte.)
(January 18, 2023 at 4:53 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:(January 17, 2023 at 10:43 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: The enormous gulf between something that works and something that works well. Sensory pathways that impinge on the conscious mind have a clear advantage over those that don't in that we can rapidly adapt our responses as necessary. We can think about our actions and learn from them. That isn't possible based on instinct alone.People with blindsight are really good at solving extremely complex problems like catching a ball and qualia don't seem to be necessary. Catching a ball isn't a complex problem. Quote:Quote:We can think about our actions and learn from them. That isn't possible based on instinct alone.You need to provide proof for this claim. Prove that you have qualia.  Quote:Quote:Imagine for a moment that I threw a cactus to you. Do you decide to catch it or dodge it? Guess what the poor bugger with blindsight is picking out of his hands.Patients with blindsight can avoid obstacles. How are they at distinguishing between a prickly pear and green bean bag given no more than a quick "Heads up!"?   Quote:you can't be seriousMore serious then the nonsense you keep spewing
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January 20, 2023 at 10:15 am
(This post was last modified: January 20, 2023 at 10:17 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Blindsight patients can perform some tasks..if prompted by another person...and achieve results that are better than chance - but nowhere near the level of conscious vision. Due to this, blindsight is actually a hell of an argument in favor of the evolutionary utility of conscious sight. It doesn't really matter whether we could do some thing x without thing y, when we are demonstrably better at thing x with thing y.
You can swim without gills, too. Should someone tell the fish?
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 (January 20, 2023 at 10:15 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Blindsight patients can perform some tasks..if prompted by another person...and achieve results that are better than chance - but nowhere near the level of conscious vision. Due to this, blindsight is actually a hell of an argument in favor of the evolutionary utility of conscious sight. It doesn't really matter whether we could do some thing x without thing y, when we are demonstrably better at thing x with thing y. You're going to need to show that consciousness actually does anything prior to claiming that it does things better. ![[Image: extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/zf86M5L7/extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg)
You know I'm comfortable positing that it doesn't.
Nevertheless, there's a strong correlation between visual experience and performance in human beings. People with blindsight are still profoundly disabled. You wont find many blindsighted outfielders.
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