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RE: Russia and Ukraine
May 7, 2023 at 9:40 pm
(This post was last modified: May 7, 2023 at 9:44 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Personally, I read it as an internal dispute over blame for the failures of the war thusfar. Let's imagine that russia, againts all odds, wins something in ukraine. Someone will still need to be responsible for all that was lost. Can't be putin. Even in the dreamland putin regime change scenario..it still wouldn't be putin. There's no money shot until all gains, real or imagined, are solidified under a singular cult of personality...... and all loss is offloaded onto another.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
May 8, 2023 at 4:54 am
(May 7, 2023 at 9:40 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Personally, I read it as an internal dispute over blame for the failures of the war thusfar. Let's imagine that russia, againts all odds, wins something in ukraine. Someone will still need to be responsible for all that was lost. Can't be putin. Even in the dreamland putin regime change scenario..it still wouldn't be putin. There's no money shot until all gains, real or imagined, are solidified under a singular cult of personality...... and all loss is offloaded onto another. But... But ...Pentagon papers... 
Because those are the final gospel on the outcome of the war
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
May 8, 2023 at 11:44 am
(May 6, 2023 at 4:25 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: (May 6, 2023 at 1:21 am)Helios Wrote: I know what a hypothetical is and I know when using one is stupid.
Using a hypothetical is never stupid. The point was crystal clear. According to Nudge, a person is the actions that they take. To me, a person is their wicked thoughts and plans, combined with their actions. And you guys understood my point perfectly, because you had to obfuscate by pretending I was being literal and not using a hypothetical.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
May 8, 2023 at 11:56 am
Next up, Zelenskyys Wicked Thoughts - playing their smash hit What Air Defense Doing.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
May 8, 2023 at 12:03 pm
(May 8, 2023 at 11:56 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Next up, Zelenskyys Wicked Thoughts - playing their smash hit What Air Defense Doing. Indeed Zelenskys thought atrocities
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
May 9, 2023 at 8:48 am
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I love when Russia simps keep saying Russia can just draft more Troops. Then we remind them that you still need to arm and supply those troops. It's like they think war is an RTS and logistics don't exist and if they are pointing to China to make with the equipment. Chinese equipment is notoriously poor quality and unreliable if China even delivers it with playing diplomatic games because as much as China dislikes NATO they love Western markets and are mixed with the Russians really. And no neither China nor India will be the peacemakers either they can talk a good game but that's all it is talk.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
May 9, 2023 at 8:59 am
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I dislike USA hypocrisy. It likes to talk about democracy, freedom, international law. But at the same time as I quoted George Friedman here before, it acts as Empire.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
May 9, 2023 at 9:06 am
That would make a good topic for a different thread.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
May 9, 2023 at 9:15 am
Quote:I dislike USA hypocrisy. It likes to talk about democracy, freedom, international law. But at the same time as I quoted George Friedman here before, it acts as Empire.
Whataboutism
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
May 9, 2023 at 9:26 am
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A future archaeologist could have difficulty determining whether russia or the us invaded ukraine, if their primary sources about the war came from anti us commentary.
On that note, we can grant that the us sucks for purposes of elaboration. I think the whole imperial us thing is the laziest and most absurd take on a russian land grab, but lets run with it. It just so happens that, for once, the interests of the great satan actually do align with democracy, freedom, and international law. If you believe in these things and believe in the great satan ukraine is not a reason to complain about the great satan, it's a rare example of relief to be put forward as an object lesson in doing things right for a change.
It remains to be seen whether or not we'll stick with it.
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