(July 23, 2023 at 11:07 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Astreja, any thoughts on NDE's, especially veridical NDE's. Imo, they are empirical evidence of the Soul, of God, of Heaven, and the After-Life. This is especially the case because people near death - like those unconscious and being operated on - tell us objective facts about the physical world, such as the instruments doctors used to operate on them while they were unconscious. They've also seen relatives of their who they did not even know they had in Heaven in Perfect Light. They confirmed later with their Parents that they did have such relatives, for e.g. younger siblings who died before they knew them.

Pls see this: "While no two NDEs are the same, there are characteristic features that are commonly observed in NDEs. These characteristics include a perception of seeing and hearing apart from the physical body, passing into or through a tunnel, encountering a mystical light, intense and generally positive emotions, a review of part or all of their prior life experiences, encountering deceased loved ones, and a choice to return to their earthly life.2" ...

Two large retrospective studies investigated the accuracy of out-of-body observations during near-death experiences. The first was by Dr. Janice Holden.10 Dr. Holden reviewed NDEs with OBEs in all previously published scholarly articles and books, and found 89 case reports. Of the case reports reviewed, 92% were considered to be completely accurate with no inaccuracy whatsoever when the OBE observations were later investigated."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6172100/ Atheism. Philosophically absurd and refuted by ever-increasing empirical evidence.

(July 24, 2023 at 11:54 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I can't believe I get to be the one to tell him that the whole argument is pointless, anyway.  Atheists don't believe in gods....but we're perfectly free to believe in souls...and, honestly...most atheists do.  I'm obviously soulless as a ginger...but it's worth acknowledging.

(July 24, 2023 at 11:50 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: Never mind near death experience. Show me a post death experience

(July 24, 2023 at 11:58 am)arewethereyet Wrote:

(July 24, 2023 at 11:54 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I can't believe I get to be the one to tell him that the whole argument is pointless, anyway.  Atheists don't believe in gods....but we're perfectly free to believe in souls...and, honestly...most atheists do.  I'm obviously soulless as a ginger...but it's worth acknowledging.

Bold mine - well that explains a lot about you and Boru.  

(July 24, 2023 at 12:02 pm)Angrboda Wrote:

(July 24, 2023 at 11:58 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Bold mine - well that explains a lot about you and Boru.  

Is Boru a ginger?

(July 24, 2023 at 11:44 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(July 23, 2023 at 11:07 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Astreja, any thoughts on NDE's, especially veridical NDE's. Imo, they are empirical evidence of the Soul, of God, of Heaven, and the After-Life. This is especially the case because people near death - like those unconscious and being operated on - tell us objective facts about the physical world, such as the instruments doctors used to operate on them while they were unconscious. They've also seen relatives of their who they did not even know they had in Heaven in Perfect Light. They confirmed later with their Parents that they did have such relatives, for e.g. younger siblings who died before they knew them.

Pls see this: "While no two NDEs are the same, there are characteristic features that are commonly observed in NDEs. These characteristics include a perception of seeing and hearing apart from the physical body, passing into or through a tunnel, encountering a mystical light, intense and generally positive emotions, a review of part or all of their prior life experiences, encountering deceased loved ones, and a choice to return to their earthly life.2" ...

Two large retrospective studies investigated the accuracy of out-of-body observations during near-death experiences. The first was by Dr. Janice Holden.10 Dr. Holden reviewed NDEs with OBEs in all previously published scholarly articles and books, and found 89 case reports. Of the case reports reviewed, 92% were considered to be completely accurate with no inaccuracy whatsoever when the OBE observations were later investigated."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6172100/ Atheism. Philosophically absurd and refuted by ever-increasing empirical evidence.

From your link : 
"There is no uniformly accepted definition of near-death experience. Definitions of NDE with some variability have been used throughout the 35 plus years that NDE has been the subject of scholarly investigation. For my retrospective investigations, an NDE was required to have both a near-death and experience component."

I wander if they investigated the NDEs of rats ? 
Did they see the Jebus Rat ? 

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shot...re%20dying.