(May 1, 2024 at 11:41 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Yep, I think the world is aware that the only person alive who might be able to stop the genocide is Biden. People will remember that he refused.

I think you have him confused with Netanyahu.

(May 2, 2024 at 5:46 am)NeverEndingIt Wrote: The Gaza slaughter now is just a reaction of anger and frustration by Netanyahu and the CIA for not seeing October 7 coming.

How many CIA operatives are involved? Be specific.

(May 2, 2024 at 8:55 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I think you have him confused with Netanyahu.

Where does Netanyahu get his money from? His weapons? His UN vetoes?

(May 2, 2024 at 9:03 am)Belacqua Wrote:

(May 2, 2024 at 8:55 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I think you have him confused with Netanyahu.

Where does Netanyahu get his money from? His weapons? His UN vetoes?

Israel could get by without American aid $. The vetoes, granted. But it's been made clear over the years that even when America objects to an Israeli policy, they don't care. That's why I think we should not support them any more.

(May 2, 2024 at 8:44 am)Belacqua Wrote: One thing that's always frustrating: attacks from the Palestinian side (whether by Hamas or simply spontaneous individual outbursts) are always presented in the US media as unprovoked examples of Muslim evil.

Yeah, silly us. We fell again for that wicked Western media. In reality, Hamas is just defending themselves, just like Putin is defending himself in Ukraine.

(May 2, 2024 at 8:44 am)Belacqua Wrote:

(May 2, 2024 at 5:46 am)NeverEndingIt Wrote: In regards of Hamas, I don't think they were created by Netanyahu; but by the religious Muslims in Gaza after "Fatah" went soft and agreed to work for Israel in the West Bank.

Obviously Netanyahu's intel and the Mossad as a whole was a failure after the October 7 attack by Hamas.

The Gaza slaughter now is just a reaction of anger and frustration by Netanyahu and the CIA for not seeing October 7 coming.

Yes, I agree it would be too simple to say that Netanyahu "created" Hamas. He and his party gave it support, and attempted to use it as a divide-and-conquer strategy, but its birth had various causes. Anyway, that's what I read in the two sources I cite, and in many others. 

Both Israel and the US thought it would be a good idea to support Islamist militants to weaken their enemies, and both times it turned out badly. 

Very hard to say about October 7.... It appears there was a lot of misinformation in the earliest reports -- as is not unusual in events of this kind. It would be easy to be cynical and imagine that Netanyahu's party saw it coming and decided to let it happen, to justify doing what they wanted to do anyway. We can't know for sure. 

One thing that's always frustrating: attacks from the Palestinian side (whether by Hamas or simply spontaneous individual outbursts) are always presented in the US media as unprovoked examples of Muslim evil. Yet of course from the Palestinian side, each is seen as reprisal for some Israeli action -- often a very specific bit of violence. Israelis make much of the hostages held by Hamas, for example, without mentioning the thousands of Palestinians held in Israeli prisons without trial. I don't think these people can even be called hostages, since Israel makes no demands for their release -- they are just held without explanation or legal recourse.

I totally agree that the CIA supported some Islamic groups; but only "some"; to count 2: "Al-Qaeda and ISIS", but it didn't (and couldn't) persuade many groups to join its ranks; Hamas are one of these groups that refused.

Hamas fooled the Mossad and the CIA via many of its generals; most famous one is "Sinwar":


Him and Hamas are not the insane Sunni Jihadists that the CIA media spent billions on writing imaginary scripts portraying them beheading innocents.

As for October 7 early reports; the attack was a huge surprise as it seems, it caught Israel off guard; which explains that mad tantrum after it by Israel and its allies..a tantrum that butchered 34,000 civilians half of them are women and children. Ironically the real barbarian showed themselves to us.

About the POWs Hamas has -Biden calls them hostages; lol-, these are POWs; Israelies captured from the battlefield, they fought and lost the fight; so they were taken to prison; simple as that.

The American media should mention the scary, inhumane protocol Israel has which is called " the Hannibal Directive":

(May 2, 2024 at 9:11 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(May 2, 2024 at 8:44 am)Belacqua Wrote: One thing that's always frustrating: attacks from the Palestinian side (whether by Hamas or simply spontaneous individual outbursts) are always presented in the US media as unprovoked examples of Muslim evil.

Yeah, silly us. We fell again for that wicked Western media. In reality, Hamas is just defending themselves, just like Putin is defending himself in Ukraine.

There’s some truth in what Bel is saying (apparently, the events of October 7 were reprisals for Palestinians being forced out of Sheikh Jarrah, among other things). On the other hand, well, do I really have to explain why the shit that happened on October 7 is morally indefensible? Especially with the attack on the Supernova Sukkot Festival, where Hamas decided that they weren’t going to differentiate between enemy combatants and people who just wanted to dance like pricks to trance music?

(May 2, 2024 at 8:55 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(May 2, 2024 at 5:46 am)NeverEndingIt Wrote: The Gaza slaughter now is just a reaction of anger and frustration by Netanyahu and the CIA for not seeing October 7 coming.

How many  CIA operatives are involved? Be specific.

No they even sent Marines generals:

Quote:The Biden administration recently sent a Marine three-star general and several other U.S. military officers to Israel to help advise the Israeli military's leadership in its operation in Gaza, according to two U.S. officials and two Israeli officials briefed on the issue.

(May 1, 2024 at 11:24 pm)Foxaèr Wrote: I'm seriously too lazy to want to understand what's going on.

Basicly, Israel has used the October 7th terrorist attack by Hamas to go from clandestine genocide to open genocide.

Countries like the US, the UK, Germany &c. are pissed off at the students who are advertising this change of direction.

(May 2, 2024 at 11:28 am)NeverEndingIt Wrote:

(May 2, 2024 at 8:55 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: How many  CIA operatives are involved? Be specific.

No they even sent Marines generals:

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Quote:The Biden administration recently sent a Marine three-star general and several other U.S. military officers to Israel to help advise the Israeli military's leadership in its operation in Gaza, according to two U.S. officials and two Israeli officials briefed on the issue.

I see you've been banned. We all know the US military has maintained advisors in Israel all along. I asked about the CIA involvement you've claimed. It appears you had no answer.

At any rate, your bias was going to doom your ability to maintain audience anyway, so your banning is no big loss.

(May 2, 2024 at 9:10 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Israel could get by without American aid $. 

Really? I'm surprised to hear this. Do you have a source? 

Of course, "get by" could mean "simply survive," which -- I guess, maybe. But it would be a radically different country.

Quote:But it's been made clear over the years that even when America objects to an Israeli policy, they don't care. That's why I think we should not support them any more.

The trouble is that when America objects to Israeli policy, they still send money and weapons. 

Even during the recent attacks on Gaza, Biden is telling them to tone it down, while still sending them the weapons to keep it up.