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Russia and Ukraine
RE: Russia and Ukraine
(June 30, 2024 at 9:04 am)Disagreeable Wrote: Yeah, so that does give me some pause. Shouldn't we be worried about nuclear war if nuclear bombs have happened before?

Hundreds of thousands of people have been killed with longbows. Should I be worried about that, since ‘it happened before’?

I’m less concerned about nuclear war than I am about fissile materials falling into the hands of idealistic freedom fighters.

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I guess there's a sense in which we should worry about that. The sense in which, like imperial japan, contemporary russia is too far gone, too lost in the sauce, and could only be stopped by dropping bombs on moscow and st petersburg.

....or...are we being asked to worry that incompetent nuts in russia might do crazy shit? Because..if so...is that an argument for not dropping bombs on them, or dropping them quicker..before they fuck up?

On a scale of 1-preemptive nuclear strike how much should we worry about russians nuking ukraine?
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(June 30, 2024 at 4:03 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I guess there's a sense in which we should worry about that.  The sense in which, like imperial japan, contemporary russia is too far gone, too lost in the sauce, and could only be stopped by dropping bombs on moscow and st petersburg.

....or...are we being asked to worry that incompetent nuts in russia might do crazy shit?  Because..if so...is that an argument for not dropping bombs on them, or dropping them quicker..before they fuck up?

On a scale of 1-preemptive nuclear strike how much should we worry about russians nuking ukraine?

For reasons already given, not more than a 2. 

Boru
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
(June 30, 2024 at 4:03 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: On a scale of 1-preemptive nuclear strike how much should we worry about russians nuking ukraine?

Given the blatant and public exposure of their conventional forces as worthless, I doubt they want to expose their nuclear forces as being equally flawed, especially on a target which (if those nukes do work) will irradiate the land they want to seize and destroy infrastructure they desperately need to make this invasion break even, at best.

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RE: Russia and Ukraine
(June 30, 2024 at 9:08 am)arewethereyet Wrote:
(June 30, 2024 at 9:04 am)Disagreeable Wrote: Yeah, so that does give me some pause. Shouldn't we be worried about nuclear war if nuclear bombs have happened before?

We were taught to hide under our desks at school.  Maybe you can find a desk to crawl under so you will be safe.

Maybe you can find a desk to crawl under so you will *feel* safe.

There, fixed it for you.
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(June 30, 2024 at 8:45 pm)A. Secular Human Wrote:
(June 30, 2024 at 9:08 am)arewethereyet Wrote: We were taught to hide under our desks at school.  Maybe you can find a desk to crawl under so you will be safe.

Maybe you can find a desk to crawl under so you will *feel* safe.

There, fixed it for you.

I had "duck and cover" drills in my first year of school, in 1973/74. I had no idea what it was to defend against except there was a big cloud in the cartoon they showed us.

By the time I returned to America in late 1978, that shit was gone ... just as good, because by then I knew how useless it would have been.

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Russia wants to confront NATO but dares not fight it on the battlefield – so it’s waging a hybrid war instead

When someone tried – and failed – to burn down a bus garage in Prague earlier this month, the unsuccessful arson attack didn’t draw much attention. Until, that is, Czech Prime Minister Petr Fiala revealed it was “very likely” that Moscow was behind it.

The accusation prompted alarm among security officials and governments because several similar incidents have occurred across Europe in recent months. The Museum of Occupation in Riga was targeted in an arson attack in February. A London warehouse burnt down in March and a shopping center in Warsaw went up in flames in May. Police in Germany arrested several people suspected of planning explosions and arson attacks in April, and French authorities launched an anti-terror investigation after detaining a suspected bomb-maker who was injured in a botched explosion earlier this month.

Multiple hacking attacks and spying incidents have been reported in different European countries. As the same time, the European Union has accused Russia and Belarus of weaponizing migration by pushing asylum seekers from third countries to its borders. There have also been several suspicious attacks against individuals: a Russian defector was found shot dead in Spain and an opposition figure exiled in Lithuania was brutally attacked with a hammer.

The seemingly random attacks have one thing in common: according to local officials, they are all linked to Russia. And while they might look minor in isolation, taken together these incidents amount to what security experts say is Russia’s hybrid war on the West.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has made it clear he sees the war in Ukraine as part of a broader conflict with NATO and that his regime views the government in Kyiv as a mere proxy of the West.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/30/europ...index.html
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It seems that it's never gonna be rational to start a nuclear war. But maybe we should worry about irrationality.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
(July 1, 2024 at 8:52 am)Disagreeable Wrote: It seems that it's never gonna be rational to start a nuclear war. But maybe we should worry about irrationality.

Or maybe non-rational*



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RE: Russia and Ukraine
(July 1, 2024 at 8:52 am)Disagreeable Wrote: It seems that it's never gonna be rational to start a nuclear war. But maybe we should worry about irrationality.

While you're wringing your hands, Ukrainians are dying. I don't think Russia's attacking anyone else. Why spread their talking points?

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