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RE: Damned Christians
November 28, 2024 at 1:42 am
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(November 28, 2024 at 1:38 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: the majority of the Crusades were justified;
Crusades were not justified you sick fuck.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Damned Christians
November 28, 2024 at 1:59 am
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(November 28, 2024 at 1:42 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (November 28, 2024 at 1:38 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: the majority of the Crusades were justified;
Crusades were not justified you sick fuck.
Sorry, didn't realize I was arguing with a pro-slavery, pro-human sacrificist.
Just to be clear, you are arguing that the Crusades to reclaim Christian cities from a hostile foreign nation was not justified?
Does that standard hold today - that we should not protect anyone when their hostile foreign neighbors invade them in the name of their whack job ideology? To enslave them and commit genocide on them?
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RE: Damned Christians
November 28, 2024 at 2:05 am
(November 28, 2024 at 1:59 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: (November 28, 2024 at 1:42 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Crusades were not justified you sick fuck.
Sorry, didn't realize I was arguing with a pro-slavery, pro-human sacrificist.
Because you didn't, dumbass.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Damned Christians
November 28, 2024 at 5:20 am
(November 28, 2024 at 1:38 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: Cool; a Crusade against rebellious Occitan barons who grew too wealthy and rebelled against the Crown of France...
Crusades against Norsemen and Slavs who still followed barbarian faiths (see; slavery, human sacrifice, the fun stuff...)
--- Yeah, the Jew stuff was pretty bad. They were involved in the slave trade (primarily transportation and castration) of Europeans to sell to Muslims as well as the tax collection of peasants, so... understandable anger, but not justified still. ---
Okay; again, Prussian/German noblemen with some Polish and Norman aristocracy and the Druzinha of places like Novgorod and Valadimir (like the Crusade of Southern France) was primarily a secular affair between noblemen, often time the 2-6th sons of lords back West looking to expand their power in the only way they knew how.
Anyways, by your own examples the majority of the Crusades were justified; and also, the "God will sort his own." is a fake quote, it sickened me too.
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RE: Damned Christians
November 28, 2024 at 6:33 am
(November 28, 2024 at 2:05 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (November 28, 2024 at 1:59 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: Sorry, didn't realize I was arguing with a pro-slavery, pro-human sacrificist.
Because you didn't, dumbass.
Ah, got it - you just didn't it like it when those institutions were put to a stop; I think I see the distinction there, but it's a fine line.
The Baltic pagans were barbarians.
The Occitain baron lords were the embodiment of rich aristocrats throwing a hissy fit and getting their people killed for it.
The Arab world conquered Christian cities, Christians tried to take it back.
The Hussites began the violence against Catholics; don't start fights you don't want to lose.
The Ottomans were the world's largest slavery institution and, to this day, Trukiye remains the global hub of human trafficking, prostitution, and modern day slavery in a domestic sense.
I'm sorry those things weren't opposed with hugs and kisses, I truly am.
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RE: Damned Christians
November 28, 2024 at 6:34 am
(November 28, 2024 at 5:20 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Remember this when you're losing a crusade.
I'll remember it when pagans adopt the traditions of their elders and bow their knees to the Cross.
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RE: Damned Christians
November 28, 2024 at 6:55 am
(November 28, 2024 at 6:34 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: (November 28, 2024 at 5:20 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Remember this when you're losing a crusade.
I'll remember it when pagans adopt the traditions of their elders and bow their knees to the Cross.
You are an absolute genital wart of a human being. It's important that you realize this.
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RE: Damned Christians
November 28, 2024 at 9:36 am
(November 28, 2024 at 6:34 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: (November 28, 2024 at 5:20 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Remember this when you're losing a crusade.
I'll remember it when pagans adopt the traditions of their elders and bow their knees to the Cross.
May have to consider that when dragging out the Christmas tree and filling those Easter baskets.
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RE: Damned Christians
November 28, 2024 at 9:39 am
(November 28, 2024 at 1:06 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (November 27, 2024 at 10:39 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: Easily.
"Lo tirsah" does not translate directly to kill and allows for self-defense, and the Crusades were in response to hundreds of years of Islamic aggression and taking of slaves across the Mediterranean, with the original specific goal of reclaiming cities with century old Christian communities - many founded by Europeans - that had been occupied by the Caliphates.
Even if the Crusades were "just" against the Muslims, it doesn't make Catholics look any better.
But you are uninformed, as usual. Crusades were against all religions that were not Catholic. Thus, you had the slaughter of Cathars in France known as the Albigensian Crusade. There were also Northern Crusades against non-Christians in Europe. Crusaders would also regularly slaughter Jews in Europe. There was also the famous Battle on the Ice fought in Russia when the Catholic Church tried to violently impose Catholicism on the Orthodox Christians in Russia and failed spectacularly. And so on.
Quote:1096: The First Crusade was launched in this year. Although the prime goal of the crusades was to liberate Jerusalem from the Muslims, Jews were a second target. As the soldiers passed through Europe on the way to the Holy Land, large numbers of Jews were challenged: "Christ-killers, embrace the Cross or die!" 12,000 Jews in the Rhine Valley alone were killed in the first Crusade. This behavior continued for 8 additional crusades until the 9th in 1272.
1099: The Crusaders forced all of the Jews of Jerusalem into a central synagogue and set it on fire. Those who tried to escape were forced back into the burning building.
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RE: Damned Christians
November 28, 2024 at 4:08 pm
(November 28, 2024 at 6:34 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: (November 28, 2024 at 5:20 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Remember this when you're losing a crusade.
I'll remember it when pagans adopt the traditions of their elders and bow their knees to the Cross.
Which is another reason the church is dying.
I'll burn a bible just for you.
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