(February 3, 2012 at 11:37 am)Phil Wrote:

(February 3, 2012 at 11:29 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: I want a fair debate.

Rolling Stones Wrote:You can't always get what you want
And if you try sometime you find
You get what you need.

Off topic and irrelevant.

(February 3, 2012 at 11:40 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: Off topic and irrelevant.

Sad, do others in your family suffer from a lack of a sense of humor?

(February 3, 2012 at 10:54 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: You all owe me an apology for this disrespect.

What are you going to do if you don't get an apology, suicide bomb the forum?

Nobody owes you an apology. You're the one who came here trying to convert people to your religion, then when we challenged your beliefs, you ignored our arguments and relied on posting links to someone else's arguments. You've shown absolutely no evidence your religion is the one true religion. Plus, you come here to our forum demanding that we take you seriously, now you demand an apology for us rightly ridiculing your beliefs. This isn't "Islam is real" forums, it's Atheist Forums. If you don't like having your religion disrespected, then fuck off.

(February 3, 2012 at 11:42 am)Phil Wrote:

(February 3, 2012 at 11:40 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: Off topic and irrelevant.

Sad, do others in your family suffer from a lack of a sense of humor?

So from religious insults, we have gone to personal insults? Kind manners you have.

(February 3, 2012 at 11:46 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: So from religious insults, we have gone to personal insults? Kind manners you have.

It's called derision, look it up. Thank you for the compliment on my manners. Maybe you should learn some.

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(February 3, 2012 at 11:46 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote: What are you going to do if you don't get an apology, suicide bomb the forum?

Here he comes and he got friends!!!!

(February 3, 2012 at 11:29 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: It's not fair though. My first post in this thread and the first reply I got was this " " in other words they were not taking this topic seriously. Then when I produce evidence no one replies to me, instead they just insult my prophet and so on. I really don't what's wrong with links. You want me to write down all the words in the links? or just to give you the link which is easier. I did respond to the rebuttals but not all of them because I was lost due to the amount of people I was debating.

I want a fair debate.

The problem with posting links is that it is not YOUR argument, it's someone elses. It causes us to assume that you haven't the foggiest idea on how to defend what you believe, and because of that the majority of this board does not take you seriously. We could have your sort of discussion and quote mine back and forth all day long, but it would not improve our understanding of the subject matter, it would only prove that we know how to use google.

The reason you are ridiculed is because you stroll straight into the lions den, and instead of having a few actual debates under your belt so you understand the format, you begin start posting links and expect us to read through 3 and 4 page blocks of text written by someone else, we aren't debating them, we are debating you. Forget the links, you read them, you take what's useful from them, and you use them in an argument. We will refute that argument, expecting everyone to follow your treasure hunt through the muslim underground is preposterous.

If you want the respect of anyone on this board, and you know damn well you do, otherwise you would have left already because you certainly aren't here for converts, then I suggest you formulate your own arguments and present them. Why do you believe that Muhammed existed? Why do you believe that Islam is any more valid a religion than any of the thousands of other religions. Why is Allah real, and the thousands of other gods and goddesses men have worshipped false? Why is the Quran infallible? Why would anyone believe that the moon split in half? Why do militant muslims need to threaten people with death for insulting your religion, can't your god defend himself? Why is the worldview created by poor desert dwellers better than the worldview of 500 years of scientific progress? Why should we believe any of your claims, or any of the claims made by Islam if we don't believe the claims of christians, buddhists, hindus, wiccans, and jews?

(February 3, 2012 at 11:46 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote:

(February 3, 2012 at 10:54 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: You all owe me an apology for this disrespect.

What are you going to do if you don't get an apology, suicide bomb the forum?

Nobody owes you an apology. You're the one who came here trying to convert people to your religion, then when we challenged your beliefs, you ignored our arguments and relied on posting links to someone else's arguments. You've shown absolutely no evidence your religion is the one true religion. Plus, you come here to our forum demanding that we take you seriously, now you demand an apology for us rightly ridiculing your beliefs. This isn't "Islam is real" forums, it's Atheist Forums. If you don't like having your religion disrespected, then fuck off.

What are you talking about?

My intentions were not converting people, I wanted a discussion. Forums are made for discussions you know. You did challenge by beliefs but failed because I showed refutations of those arguments. Posting links, doesn't mean i'm relying on someone else's argument. I just think it's the best argument so I felt pasting the link is the easiest way to discuss with you. I have shown evidence actually. There scientific evidence, prophecies of the holy prophet, the memorisation of the Quran and how it's unique. I also showed evidence of God's existence by telling people to go watch Hamza Tzortiz or William Lane Criag but all I got was "Your prophet is a paedophile" or "You can't paste links, it's unfair on us" or "Allah is a scum". If this happened in a real life debate, the moderator would stop the debate and announce the victim the winner which is me in this case.

How often in formal debates do you see the participants use google and direct their opponent to a link?

There are no victims here, nor winners or losers. I asked you pages ago to pick a single claim and flesh it out. If you want to link apologetics and then declare "victory" that's fine. No discussion is taking place, no debate is occurring. Just a lingering shit-and-run post style.

(February 3, 2012 at 12:07 pm)SleepingDemon Wrote: How often in formal debates do you see the participants use google and direct their opponent to a link?

My brother Bassam Zawadi did this once in a debate against David Wood called "Is Islam true?".

So it's legal.