(June 18, 2012 at 2:27 am)Godschild Wrote: You were not listening, all you who have ears let him hear.

Can't flaw that logic.

(June 18, 2012 at 12:57 am)Godschild Wrote:

(June 17, 2012 at 10:20 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: I don't believe in god, therefore, am no sinner.

God says only a fool says there is no sin.

Another fucking lie, straight from the Pit of Hell.

That's from psalm 14. According to your own fairy tales, written by David.

Just another pathological liar, making up shit (or borrowing it) and attributing it to his Big Imaginary Fucking Friend.

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(June 17, 2012 at 10:00 pm)Drich Wrote:

(June 17, 2012 at 6:18 pm)GhostofZeus Wrote: In an earlier thread of mine I wanted to figure out the route that would produce the highest probability of getting into heaven. In a response, christian member Drich wrote "avoiding sin is not the Goal of a biblically based Christianity, for all sin has been attoned for, and the believer can stand before God as if he were sinless." What do christians think of this statement? My understanding of christian teaching is that, while everyone is a sinner, a christian must try to avoid sinning? If there is no need to avoid sinning, as we are already forgiven or will be forgiven, then that would imply that a christian can lead a very immoral, sinful life, and it will not jeopardize their immortal soul.

Again you have twisted what I have said.

One sin, any sin is punishable by the second death/Hell. If you have committed one sin, then you are guilty of breaking all of them. James 2:10 You might follow all of God’s law. But if you fail to obey only one command, you are guilty of breaking all the commands in that law. 11 God said, “Don’t commit adultery.” [c] The same God also said, “Don’t kill.” [d] So if you don’t commit adultery, but you kill someone, you are guilty of breaking all of God’s law.

So if you are guilty of sinning once then you can not 'avoid sin' as your way to heaven. For there is Nothing Man Can Do to Wash away his own sin. So one must seek an alternitive to entering heaven aside from trying to live a sin free life. This alternitive is provided By the Blood sacerfice Christ made. when we live in the attonement of Christ then we cease seeking 'Righteousness' through our own deeds. For Righteousness (or the quality of, or rightness needed to enter heaven) can no longer be earned by a man who has sinned (even once) The Righteousness needed to enter heaven is a gift from God so that no man should boast. Meaning anyone who enters heaven does not deserve to be there. We are there simply because we have accepted His invitation.

That means we take 'good works' off of the table in biblical Christianity as a means to 'earn or deserve' Heaven. So why do we do good works and avoid sin? The answer is a simple one. Because we love God, and God hates sin. If we loved God to the degree required in scripture, then why would we seek to be outside of his will? If a man truly loves his wife does he seek every oppertunity he can get to cheat on her? No. Love dictates that we live for the other, and not for ourselves.

The Goal here is an all encompassing love for God. Not the empty motions of it.

Wow, that was really stupid.

(June 17, 2012 at 10:00 pm)Drich Wrote:

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That means we take 'good works' off of the table in biblical Christianity as a means to 'earn or deserve' Heaven. So why do we do good works and avoid sin? The answer is a simple one. Because we love God, and God hates sin. If we loved God to the degree required in scripture, then why would we seek to be outside of his will? If a man truly loves his wife does he seek every oppertunity he can get to cheat on her? No. Love dictates that we live for the other, and not for ourselves.

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The Goal here is an all encompassing love for God. Not the empty motions of it.

cato123 Wrote:Why are you incapable of answering the fucking question? Not just in this thread, but every thread.

Everything you spouted in your answer to this OP was well understood and the exact premise of the OP. Do you get it? A premise, not an answer.

You went on about the fact that one sin is equivalent to all sin, but left out the bit about original sin. We don't have to do shit and we are all guilty of all sin. But, this wasn't the question.

Since we are all sinners, we are guilty of all sin. Only our love for god allows us to do good works. This means as long as I believe that a 2000 year old sacrifice absolves me of any personal responsibility I will be forgiven and get to join the country club. I can do whatever the fuck I want, may not be fitting for someone that loves god, but will not prevent me from going to heaven as long as I believe.

Do you get it yet?

You sir are the one incapable, you are incapable of understanding the most important thing Drich said above. It's the part I left not hidden.
If you were to do the things you stated above you would not have a love for God, those who do not love God will not be in heaven. This is stated throughout the NT, I will not quote verses, go read the NT and see for yourself, if that's possible, all the different passages about loving God. Then maybe you will get it.
I'm a Southern Baptist and we believe one can not lose their salvation, however, I believe you can give it up, and you can do that in the manner you described above.

(June 18, 2012 at 2:27 am)Godschild Wrote: You were not listening, all you who have ears let him hear.

So far, all I'm hearing is you. If god wants to talk to me, he's free to. In the mean time, I'm just going to continue to doubt and question his existence and also continue to think that you're completely nuts.

(June 18, 2012 at 12:57 am)Godschild Wrote:

(June 17, 2012 at 10:20 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: I don't believe in god, therefore, am no sinner.

God says only a fool says there is no sin.

You mean, the Bible says only a fool says there is no god.

Btw how does your god say anything if he has no vocal chords?

Does he frequently possess people with his holy ghosties?

(June 18, 2012 at 3:00 am)Godschild Wrote: You sir are the one incapable, you are incapable of understanding the most important thing Drich said above. It's the part I left not hidden.
If you were to do the things you stated above you would not have a love for God, those who do not love God will not be in heaven. This is stated throughout the NT, I will not quote verses, go read the NT and see for yourself, if that's possible, all the different passages about loving God. Then maybe you will get it.
I'm a Southern Baptist and we believe one can not lose their salvation, however, I believe you can give it up, and you can do that in the manner you described above.

Yeah, love god or he'll send bears to fuck you up.

Or is it love the mental delusion you have created or WTF??

(June 18, 2012 at 12:57 am)Godschild Wrote:

(June 17, 2012 at 10:20 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: I don't believe in god, therefore, am no sinner.

God says only a fool says there is no sin.

I must have missed that bit, along with everything else god said.

(June 18, 2012 at 3:00 am)Godschild Wrote: The Goal here is an all encompassing love for God. Not the empty motions of it.

Why?

Why this need to follow some dead man's directive to love god?? Why? Even if he was real, he doesn't love you. Clearly he loves himself far far more than he could ever love you. Why is it your GOAL to love god???
I didn't set out to make it my goal to love my son ... I simply love him.

Do you even read what you type? You should start talking into a recorder and play it back to yourself so you can hear that illogical ramblings that come out of your mouth.

Godschild Wrote:I'm a Southern Baptist and we believe one can not lose their salvation, however, I believe you can give it up, and you can do that in the manner you described above.

Greasy semantics. "lose it"/"give it up" ... it's the same damn thing.
Everyone (even us heathens) knows that there's only one sin your god won't forgive and that's denial of him and his so-called gift. Therefore, no matter how you go about it, you LOSE your salvation by no longer believing in god.
Your statement is such a half-assed attempt at covering for your twisted self-absorbed god.

I now realize that although some Christians can be highly intelligent on some levels, it is a requirement that all be an imbecile on at least some level to carry that moniker.

Why would this all powerful being give a shit if any of us loved him or not? It's not like he's going to lose power or anything if we don't.