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Atheism is the punk rock of religion
#81
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion
Right. Well I'd heard of that one Wink
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#82
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion
(July 29, 2012 at 1:08 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: The fail in that post is so great I cannot bring myself to reply. Raphael it seems you are a twat of proportions greater than I've ever seen.

Hang on a minute I thought I was?Thinking
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.

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#83
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion
(July 29, 2012 at 1:08 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: The fail in that post is so great I cannot bring myself to reply. Raphael it seems you are a twat of proportions greater than I've ever seen. You're a Christian poe right?

Oh right? Another retreat completely devoid of any answers? Tell you what why don't you compound the amount of intellectual cowardice in that statement by blocking me again? That seems to be what you're best at.

Just to show everyone what conflicting posts actually look like:
(July 28, 2012 at 4:54 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Atheism is a position on God [deity].
(July 28, 2012 at 4:54 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Get with the plan Raphael. Atheism = lack of belief in God. That's it. It's not confusing.

Well I hope everyone has enjoyed this spectacle as much as I have. Thank you and goodnight. :-)
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die." 
- Abdul Alhazred.
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#84
Re: Atheism is the punk rock of religion
How can I do anything in response to that self contradicting nonsense?

You'd need to come up with something that at least made sense.

Your favourite post lol. Is be surprised if you understood it at this point.
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#85
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion
(July 29, 2012 at 6:25 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: How can I do anything in response to that self contradicting nonsense?

You'd need to come up with something that at least made sense.

Your favourite post lol. Is be surprised if you understood it at this point.

I'm quite clear about what I request, please read more carefully. List the contradictions I've supposedly made in your own words, if any. I would also like justification to calling my last quote "nonsense".
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die." 
- Abdul Alhazred.
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#86
Re: Atheism is the punk rock of religion
I've painstakingly and very clearly pointed out the serious flaws you've made and you've basically repeated them.

I can do no more.
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#87
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion
(July 29, 2012 at 7:14 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I've painstakingly and very clearly pointed out the serious flaws you've made and you've basically repeated them.

I can do no more.

No you didn't, you quoted various posts and said they contradicted with no elaboration as to why they do.
Seriously, what do you think you are gaining from stalling exactly? Because its not credibility.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die." 
- Abdul Alhazred.
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#88
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion
Quote:Without meaning to come across as insulting;
If I conclude Aliens have psychic powers thats a position on Aliens. If I conclude Aliens don't have psychic powers then thats still a position on Aliens. If I conclude Aliens don't exist then the most you could squeeze out of it is thats a position on reality in that I don't think Aliens are actually part of it.
I conclude through lack of any evidence God exists that he does not exist. This is a position on evidence, it is a position on reality, on fiction. It may even be a position on life. How can it be a position on religion? I don't acknowledge it as a reasoned or backed thing to have a position on. I can no more have a position on that than on the belief of someone elses imaginary friend who I have concluded I have no reason to believe exists. The point of whether his cardigan is red or yellow would be moot, I don't think theres a cardigan there or even a persons body for it to rest upon.

My position cannot be religious, I fundamentally reject the premises on which religions operate.

All of this is tautological, given what you're assuming is the definition of a 'religious position'.

If someone asks, "What is your position on God's existence," would you consider "I'm an atheist" to be unresponsive? If it is responsive, then "I'm an atheist" is a "position on God's existence". Now, it seems reasonable to me that someone might consider "I'm an atheist" to be responsive. It also seems reasonable to me that someone would consider it unresponsive, since "I'm an atheist" is essentially equivalent to "I don't have one".

It's all just arbitrary based on what you're accepting as a "position". Like, imagine I ask the number of apples you're holding. You might say, "I'm not holding any number of apples"; or, you might say, "I'm holding zero apples." Which response is appropriate depends on what you accept as "holding k apples".
“The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.”
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#89
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion
BOLLOX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRNOUz7uefA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMBbNLUe-qU
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#90
RE: Atheism is the punk rock of religion
(July 28, 2012 at 1:09 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: If you seriously want to use this kind of reasoning then fine. I'm game.
By that same definition Christians are atheists because they don't believe in Allah and Muslims are atheists because they don't believe in Yahweh. The same reasoning can be applied to every single religion in the world.
Well I guess we'd better call everyone an atheist now.
Anyone else get the feeling this is going to get confusing?

If you believe in ghosts but not gods- still an atheist

If you believe in the power of Voodoo but not the Loas or Orishas - still an atheist

An atheist might believe in horoscopes, they might be honing their telekinetic abilities as a hobby. Some may have arrived at atheism from some evidence they found compelling, others because they never found any evidence they found compelling. Some couldn't care less about evidence either way, they simply don't believe. It's a big tent.

Christians are not atheists because they believe in god, they are not Muslims because they do not have faith in Islam. Similarly Muslims are not atheists because they believe in god, they are not Christians because they do not have faith in Christ. So no, they are not atheists by that definition - or any definition, though we can call them that if we want (because we can call anyone anything we like).
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